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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    Mueller isn't going to indict Trump.

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    It's the easy bet, but I don't think any of us can predict what Mueller will do, and I think there are legitimate arguments supporting an indictment of Trump. Keep in mind he's got basically some of the best legal minds on his team. If there's a legal path to indicting Trump, they'll do it and make a convincing argument as to why they can do it.

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    Mueller can't indict Trump unless he wants to create a constitutional crisis and go against DOJ guidelines that have been followed since Nixon. I don't think there is any explicit law stating you can't indict a sitting president but there certainly is a lot of other mechanisms in the way of that happening. Read the CNN article it has some detailed information in it about how it works and why impeachment is the only likely path to take if criminal activity is found.

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    The only way I see it is if Trump massacres Rosenstein and/or Sessions and the person taking over the oversight of Mueller is a clear toady who couldn't be trusted to take obvious crimes to the House for an impeachment recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoobernut View Post
    Mueller can't indict Trump unless he wants to create a constitutional crisis and go against DOJ guidelines that have been followed since Nixon. I don't think there is any explicit law stating you can't indict a sitting president but there certainly is a lot of other mechanisms in the way of that happening. Read the CNN article it has some detailed information in it about how it works and why impeachment is the only likely path to take if criminal activity is found.
    According to the guy who actually drafted the regulations, Mueller could go to Rosenstein to approve an indictment.

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...79530123022343

    I mean, look, it's not a bad guess to assume he won't make moves that could get bogged down in court. But Michael Dreeben, who's working for Mueller, probably knows better than any of us what is and isn't possible in the legal realm here.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/polit...ser/index.html

    Special counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed the former social media adviser for Roger Stone, the consultant's attorney told CNN on Wednesday.

    Mueller's team issued subpoenas last week to Jason Sullivan, the former Stone adviser's attorney said. Sullivan worked for Stone's PAC, Committee to Restore America's Greatness, before the election and was hired to help Stone with understanding social media, according to Knut Johnson, Sullivan's attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quicklet View Post
    According to the guy who actually drafted the regulations, Mueller could go to Rosenstein to approve an indictment.

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/stat...79530123022343

    I mean, look, it's not a bad guess to assume he won't make moves that could get bogged down in court. But Michael Dreeben, who's working for Mueller, probably knows better than any of us what is and isn't possible in the legal realm here.
    Having worked with Michael Dreeban, can confirm.

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    Rex Tillerson took shots at Trump today. Was expecting to see it posted already.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/tillers...ers-1526506940

    “If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway to relinquishing our freedom,” he said, drawing parallels with life in Russia, Iran and North Korea.

    The former chief diplomat did not explicitly name Mr. Trump in his speech, but the address appeared to refer to Mr. Trump’s frequent clashes with news organizations. A spokeswoman for Mr. Tillerson did not respond to a request for further comment.

    “If we do not as Americans confront the crisis of ethics and integrity in our society and among our leaders, in both public and private sector…then American democracy as we know it is entering its twilight years,” Mr. Tillerson said.

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    There are far more and higher-dollar suspicious banking activities involving Michael Cohen than have been previously reported. The whistleblower who leaked info to multiple news outlets has come forward to Ronan Farrow (who is getting fucking killer scoops lately) and outlined his concerns, including that the previous suspicious activity reports around Cohen have disappeared from the system (which is unprecedented) and he doesn't know why or how.

    https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/stat...77897100128256

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    There are far more and higher-dollar suspicious banking activities involving Michael Cohen than have been previously reported. The whistleblower who leaked info to multiple news outlets has come forward to Ronan Farrow (who is getting fucking killer scoops lately) and outlined his concerns, including that the previous suspicious activity reports around Cohen have disappeared from the system (which is unprecedented) and he doesn't know why or how.

    https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/stat...77897100128256
    I wonder if Wikileaks can help?

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    Rex has super hot totally consensus takes months after leaving office.

    I do not think it benefits Russia to have WikiLeaks drop info on their payments to Cohen, so they probably will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    Rex Tillerson took shots at Trump today. Was expecting to see it posted already.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/tillers...ers-1526506940

    “If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway to relinquishing our freedom,” he said, drawing parallels with life in Russia, Iran and North Korea.

    The former chief diplomat did not explicitly name Mr. Trump in his speech, but the address appeared to refer to Mr. Trump’s frequent clashes with news organizations. A spokeswoman for Mr. Tillerson did not respond to a request for further comment.

    “If we do not as Americans confront the crisis of ethics and integrity in our society and among our leaders, in both public and private sector…then American democracy as we know it is entering its twilight years,” Mr. Tillerson said.
    Translation: So I think we might have underestimated how bad it is to have our sock puppet drag the media and the truth through the mud of "fake news" allegations in exchange for deregulation and tax cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    Trump, regarding people who the US is deporting: "These aren't people, they're animals."

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    He's talking about MS-13 lmao, kept seeing people tweet about this so I went and watched the clip. News outlets kept saying he was talking about "undocumented immigrants" but come on lmao. You guys don't have to defend Hamas and MS-13 to criticize the president. Or idk maybe you do.

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    Or maybe our brain wormed president thinks every immigrant coming across the border is MS-13.

    Ex Gen. Kelly sure talks about them like they're animals tho.

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    So you agree they're animals, and not people? And we should treat them like aninals, and not people?

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    Oh hell yes Military twitter about to go deep on the meme game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post


    Oh hell yes Military twitter about to go deep on the meme game.
    Ok, this is type of government propaganda i can get behind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    So you agree they're animals, and not people? And we should treat them like aninals, and not people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post


    Oh hell yes Military twitter about to go deep on the meme game.
    hell yeah that is pretty funny lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
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    I was going to engage this but decided to spend my time not explaining why the president shouldn't be making statements like this.

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    I would've responded with 'Must be why you get banned' Salodin.

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