New California Republic

[Gredival]

Unless more evidence is presented that my quality of life will go up by doing this, I'm voting no when this comes up.

I'm pretty sure this:

Honestly the only dem benefit I see to all this is extra senate seats.

Qualifies.

I think LA and SF alone keep both California and Northern California in the top 20 states economically and electorally.

Not that it matters. Shit has no chance of passing. Just being able to pad Congress would be lit though. Watch the power to the small states rhetoric collapse once the liberals start carving up their big blue states into 3-5 small states.

[Ksandra]

I'm pretty sure this:



Qualifies.

I think LA and SF alone keep both California and Northern California in the top 20 states economically and electorally.

Not if my taxes go up it doesn't.

Are those senators going to be lowering my taxes? History suggests the opposite as dems love taxes.

[dasva]

Wow, I'm amazed they let you do that work. Narcotics division for the agency I worked for was so paranoid, that we couldn't physically work on their machines without a deputy watching us. And the only people who could remote in for troubleshooting were the two deputies who handled all the mainframe password issues.

Oh they watch us lol. The building has all the windows blacked out no signs who it is right next to a union building. Door always locked with a camera watching it for them to let us in. Always at least 2 guys in there to watch us. Usually not in uniform but carrying. Pretty friendly guys though

[Melena]

Oh they watch us lol. The building has all the windows blacked out no signs who it is right next to a union building. Door always locked with a camera watching it for them to let us in. Always at least 2 guys in there to watch us. Usually not in uniform but carrying. Pretty friendly guys though

Yeah, they are more paranoid then the DEA, and their training facility in san francisco is off the gps grid. If you punch in the address for the warehouse, gps will take you to the other end of town.

[synistar]

The idea is if the 3-state proposal actually happens, then So Cal will be the cheap state to live in with the exception of Orange and San Diego counties. Land will be cheap, they will have bustling Ag and biotech industries, and most likely their political philosophy will mean lower taxes. Conversely, social services are going to suck especially in the rural areas like Inyo and the desert parts of San Bernardino counties.

Cal will have the problem of large swaths of land being either environmentally protected or financially cumbersome to develop. The housing crunch in this region will not fare any better especially with the NIMBY nature of existing property owners.

Nor Cal will have the tech industry carrying its weight with some ag and existing water rights. They along with Cal will probably be purchasing energy from So Cal though.

As far as electoral votes go, the tri-state region of California would gain 4 EVs. Gred is right that if states like CA and NY break up into smaller pieces, it would dilute the power of other states.

On the extreme example though, the previous proposal of the 6-state solution for CA, the proposed state of Jefferson would be Mississippi-west. There wouldn't be as large of an ideological divide with the 3 state solution.

[archibaldcrane]

Not if my taxes go up it doesn't.

Are those senators going to be lowering my taxes? History suggests the opposite as dems love taxes.

Is this real life

Am I dreaming

Weren't you just bitching about how school budgets weren't high enough?

You know that we use taxes to fund things like schools right?

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[Gredival]

Weren't you just bitching about how school budgets weren't high enough?

You know that we use taxes to fund things like schools right?

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And this is why Republicans manage to win elections on taxes, even as people clamor for all the social welfare programs they see Europeans enjoying.

[Ksandra]

Is this real life

Am I dreaming

Weren't you just bitching about how school budgets weren't high enough?

You know that we use taxes to fund things like schools right?

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I am a big fan of cutting waste and shifty the money we are already paying to more needy areas.


With that being said, I fully admit I have a huge hypocritical soft spot for educational funds. No shame.

But let's not pretend this split is going to cause tax funds to go to education.

[Zealot]

The idea that your tax dollars get wasted successfully taking hold is the greatest conservative victory of the last 30 years.

I say that because it's let them field candidates who then get control of spending and deliberately waste your tax dollars in order to prove their own point.

[Ksandra]

The idea that your tax dollars get wasted successfully taking hold is the greatest conservative victory of the last 30 years.

Clearly.

We needed that military budget, guys. Don't believe the conservatives-Zealot

[Gredival]

The desire to curb waste and abuse is literally probably the number one creator of waste and abuse, like how the way medicaid works ends up keeps people sick longer. Or how we could save money by just giving homeless people housing, but we're opposed to it on the "No free shit for lazy people" principle.

Now that's not to say there's not specific solutions that can actually curb waste and abuse, such as single payer for health care, or money that could be freed up from shifting priorities, such as our obscene military budget (which is partially obscene due to poor administration).

But taxes and quality social services are directly correlated.

[Zealot]

Clearly.

We needed that military budget, guys. Don't believe the conservatives-Zealot

I edited my post with some more detail.

[Zealot]

Clearly.

We needed that military budget, guys. Don't believe the conservatives-Zealot

Also what the eff are you talking about, conservatives are the single biggest driver of the military budget, Jesus Christ Ksandra keep things straight here.

[Ksandra]

I edited my post with some more detail.

Thanks, sorry didn't see it at the time of posting.


And yes, I am well aware that is a conservative strat. It's what they did to public education in order to try and destroy public education (working).

Don't forget, I hate conservatives. I just rarely see reason to talk about them when we don't have any here. The only time I usually do is when I see posters not looking at an issue from the conservative point of view. Because I consider those that look at the other side to be smarter and make better decisions.

[Ksandra]

Also what the eff are you talking about, conservatives are the single biggest driver of the military budget, Jesus Christ Ksandra keep things straight here.

Where did I say dems push it?

[Zealot]

"We need that military budget! Don't believe conservatives" implies that conservatives are arguing against a military budget.

[Ksandra]

To be clear: A vast amount of our taxes go to military budgets (yes because of conservatives, not relevant imo). Therefore dems keep raising taxes in hopes to pay for other things, but often those tax raises just end up fluffing the current budget allocations keeping the percentages spent the same. You can blame conservatives or dems or alpacas for all it matters to me, that's exactly what is happening.


This split could very well price us out of our home, and my husband's job is either here or canada (which I can't work in my field there).

You are surprised I'm not jumping up and down with excitement?

[Ksandra]

"We need that military budget! Don't believe conservatives" implies that conservatives are arguing against a military budget.

Uh no, you initial post claimed it was a conservative victory to make us believe our tax dollars are wasted. Which suggests none of it is actually being wasted.
So I picked a part that obviously has big waste.


Remember you edited it after I hit reply.

[Zealot]

Yeah but you asked that question after reading my edited response.

[Andalusian girls]

U.S. spends more than any other nation on student education

U.S. students score lower than many other nations in international testing

mismanagement, waste, the system's structure not the problem

only solution spend more on students

mfw