PC Principal V: What The Fuck Am I Reading

[thetruepandagod]

What if I never call for violence but one of my supporters, emboldened by my rhetoric, decides to take matters into their own hands and start mailing pipe bombs to the people I'm always complaining about. That's cool too right? Totally not my problem or fault? Asking for a friend.

Words aren't actions fucko, I give a fuck about elliot rodgers autism towards women being the driving factor towards him murdering people like i give a fuck about some 12 yr old saying kill jews on xbox live leading to a second holocaust and would blame neither of the supposed 'sources' for said call to action

[Salodin]

Words aren't actions fucko, I give a fuck about elliot rodgers autism towards women being the driving factor towards him murdering people like i give a fuck about some 12 yr old saying kill jews on xbox live leading to a second holocaust and would blame neither of the supposed 'sources' for said call to action

Words arent actions, but words can inspire action. Maybe patreon doesnt want to risk words on their site inciting violence like words on Twitter incited a man to mail pipe bombs to the political enemies of the original one doing the incitement. Maybe patreon is trying to be proactive?

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[Salodin]

I mean I say all this, but I would never hit the dorito button. Snitches get stitches. The streets run on different rules lol.

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[thetruepandagod]

Words arent actions, but words can inspire action. Maybe patreon doesnt want to risk words on their site inciting violence like words on Twitter incited a man to mail pipe bombs to the political enemies of the original one doing the incitement. Maybe patreon is trying to be proactive?

I'm not actually in the camp that disagrees with what patreon did fyi, they can do whatever they want. But what I think is that I don't care about words inciting anything unless they are coming from mel gibson in braveheart.

[Karbuncle]

Valid point. I’m not necessarily finding fault with the CEO but there is a disconnect somewhere of his vision and what actually took place. He’s literally on record not long ago telling people that their fears are unfounded because it’s only content on Patreon and then the group responsible are taking behaviour out of context from interviews not on any of Sargon’s Patreon funded channels to ban him.


Sorry, I’m trying to address a few other points so I’m all over the place in replies. Doesn’t help I’m posting from my phone.

To add to this, its not just the CEOs vision and the actions of his team, as I pointed out the "CEOs Vision" and the Terms of Service are both in line with eachother, its the team dishing out the biased bans thats ignoring both and the CEO is doing nothing about it and walking back his prior statement. not to mention when you're targeted and banned you have 0 chance of an appeal if Sargon's ban shows anything for it. The means in which they went about it, the fact the people banned were not breaking any rules set forth by Patreon, the fact appeals were denied and he was stone-walled from the beginning and given no chance to explain his position, the fact he was banned for content not even tied to his Youtube or Patreon account in any manner, etc.

Its a shit show, a small scale one, but its not just as simple as "Patreon banned a dude".

[Ksandra]

Bite progressives where? The policy literally revolves around removing hate speech from the platform doesnt it? How is that a bad thing lol.

Is it the action itself, or the person it's happening to that is rustling yalls jimmies? If Hitler was banned from patreon, would yall be stanning so hard for this guy?

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I'm talking about the general movement of shutting every speak down that we don't like. This is not an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination.

Not falling into the Godwin trap.

[Salodin]

You're acting like the CEO wants to save this guy and the company isnt listening to...its boss lol. I guarantee you he gave the final decision to start this. If anything is not aligned with the TOS or his previous comments, it's because the terms of service are changing and he changed his mind. I'm confident the TOS you're referring to has fine print that says "these terms can change without notice".

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[Vandalhart]

What if I never call for violence but one of my supporters, emboldened by my rhetoric, decides to take matters into their own hands and start mailing pipe bombs to the people I'm always complaining about. That's cool too right? Totally not my problem or fault? Asking for a friend.

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So I can talk about how terrible the Jews are for our society, but as long as I dont explicitly call for violence towards them you're cool? I should never be banned from any platform?

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I’ve stated this before on here and it’s still a maliable opinion. I personally feel the individual doing the crime is the main culprit. If the person preaching whatever is not calling for action I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren’t trying to incite violence.

People speak ill of other groups all the time and that same bias I mentioned before is present when dealing with them. If it’s going to be shutdown shut it down consistently. That doesn’t seem to be happening.

[Ksandra]

Social Media is a dystopian nightmare anyway. Whatever gets people to split away from TwitBookChatterGram en masse and start building new platforms is better for society in the long run.

While I agree, you and I both know they're just going to keep building other social media platforms, rather than letting social media die.

[Salodin]

I'm talking about the general movement of shutting every speak down that we don't like. This is not an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination.

Not falling into the Godwin trap.

Pretty sure you're being hyperbolic because everything the left disagrees with is not being shut down. It's easy to make ridiculous leaps when you reduce everything like this. This is isolated, so isolated in fact that only 1 person was removed. Unless you're referring to another story?

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[Ksandra]

Pretty sure you're being hyperbolic because everything the left disagrees with is not being shut down. It's easy to make ridiculous leaps when you reduce everything like this. This is isolated, so isolated in fact that only 1 person was removed. Unless you're referring to another story?

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Twitter, facebook, and other platforms are doing this.

[Karbuncle]

You're acting like the CEO wants to save this guy and the company isnt listening to...its boss lol. I guarantee you he gave the final decision to start this.

I don't see that but I'll clarify if it comes off that way. I'm only pointing out that the CEO and the ToS are both saying the same thing in regards to the fact their policy polices only content Posted on Patreon, and the SafetyW/E Team are the ones not within the bounds and banning this person for breaking no rules what-so-ever. As far as the CEO approving all bans, I mean he hired this team and likely gave them a lot of slack in their jobs, but I doubt he signs off on every ban... but I could be wrong. Its a big company I'm sure its just another pile of paperwork so to speak.

I'm confident the TOS you're referring to has fine print that says "these terms can change without notice".

As far as my last check(not today), the ToS haven't changed though to reflect this. The written ToS still specify content on Patreon, not a Patreon users "Brand as a whole", and again I'd like to specify the content he was banned for is not in any way linked to his account or Patreon and was him being a "guest" on a Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist channel to argue AGAINST them and their insanely stupid ideology, the video is being hosted only on their channel.

Like, I'm talking in circles here and I'm repeating myself and typing the same thing over and over is getting annoying to me so I can't even imagine how droning it sounds to people reading it. if you don't care cool but let me know and I'll stop bothering you lol.

[Salodin]

Twitter, facebook, and other platforms have banned all conservatives from it? That's news to me. Unless you mean all conservatives engage in hate speech, in which case that's news to me and they should be banned.

Except conservatives arent. Most conservatives are fine on Twitter and facebook, the only ones in danger, and the only ones you're defending, are the conservatives who are also hate spouting probable racists.

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[Salodin]

Not that I can see, I'll clarify if it comes off that way. I'm only pointing out that the CEO and the ToS are both saying the same thing in regards to the fact their policy polices only content Posted on Patreon, and the SafetyW/E Team are the ones not within the bounds. As far as the CEO approving all bans, I mean he hired this team and likely gave them a lot of slack in their jobs, but I doubt he signs off on every ban... but I could be wrong.



As far as my last check, the ToS haven't changed though to reflect this. The written ToS still specify content on Patreon, not a Patreon users "Brand as a whole", and again I'd like to specify the content he was banned for is not in any way linked to his account or Patreon and was him being a "guest" on a Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist channel to argue AGAINST them, the video being hosted only on their channel.

Like, I'm talking in circles here and if you don't care cool but let me know and I'll stop bothering you.

I did hear you, and I said it doesnt matter cause they could just change their TOS whenever they want. They can ban whoever they want. They can be as inconsistent or consistent as they want, and get away with it.

If it makes you feel better I dont get upset when progressives getting tempted, banned, or fired for the stupid shit they say on twitter.

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[Ksandra]

Twitter, facebook, and other platforms have banned all conservatives from it?

Show me the quote where I said all conservatives. You accuse me of being hyperbolic, then put words in my mouth.

[Karbuncle]

I did hear you, and I said it doesnt matter cause they could just change their TOS whenever they want. They can ban whoever they want. They can be as inconsistent or consistent as they want, and get away with it.

If it makes you feel better I dont get upset when progressives getting tempted, banned, or fired for the stupid shit they say on twitter.

Okay, thanks for that and I understand where you're coming from now and I can respect your indifference on the matter and/or not seeing it as a big of deal as people make it out to be. Thats okay in my book, I'll leave it at that if its okay with you.

[Greatguardian]

While I agree, you and I both know they're just going to keep building other social media platforms, rather than letting social media die.

I'm kinda okay with this; more so than status quo, at least. The sheer concentration of personal information these platforms store is staggering and we're already starting to see what happens when it's mishandled.

[Salodin]

I'm talking about the general movement of shutting every speak down that we don't like. This is not an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination.

Not falling into the Godwin trap.

Show me the quote where I said all conservatives. You accuse me of being hyperbolic, then put words in my mouth.

You're being hyperbolic because you're acting like all conservatives are being targeted on social media when it is the ones spouting hate speech that are targeted. ONE person was banned from patreon, not a single more in regards to this specific incident. To extrapolate that as somehow progressives are going too far is ludicrous.

[Ksandra]

like all conservatives.

I just asked you to quote where I said all conservatives. You then repeat the phrase with no evidence.

[Salodin]

Ah this is where we pin point on that one thing and act like the entire point of the post means nothing cause of it. K cool.

I was mistaken, you never said all conservatives. Your hyperbole is solely that the left is shutting down all speech they don't like, which is clearly not the case.