PC Principal V: What The Fuck Am I Reading

[dasva]

So I'm curious as why you think it's okay for the state to use the death penalty, which has life-ending implications, for a small percentage of people who are falsely convicted.

Maybe punish the people behind those false convictions too? imo if your actions cause the state to wrongly put a person to death you are at a minimum an accessory to murder and should be treated as such

[Gredival]

Maybe punish the people behind those false convictions too? imo if your actions cause the state to wrongly put a person to death you are at a minimum an accessory to murder and should be treated as such

Like? Witnesses? I mean if they outright lied about "I saw X kill Y", they are liable for perjury criminally and slander/libel to the falsely convicted.

Who else is responsible for false convictions though? Negligent police who try to solve cases and go with their gut? Prosecutors for making a call to pursue the case/capital punishment?

[6souls]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...too-2018-09-18

Pumpkin Spice Lattes are said to be the drink of choice for "white millennial women," but are actually preferred by men. Although, men will face sexism if they're caught ordering or drinking one by often being compared to someone more feminine.

[Andalusian girls]

Are you implying that such recourse for injustice has always been available and the sudden emphasis on punishing false rape allegations severely is nothing more than a scornful reactionary response in light of so many women speaking out about abuse, thus empowering other women to do the same and in the process liberating themselves from a oppressive system they had previously suffered under in silence?

i'm not following

[dasva]

Like? Witnesses? I mean if they outright lied about "I saw X kill Y", they are liable for perjury criminally and slander/libel to the falsely convicted.

Who else is responsible for false convictions though? Negligent police who try to solve cases and go with their gut? Prosecutors for making a call to pursue the case/capital punishment?

Well you are trying to use it in comparison to what to do with false allegations so yeah exactly that

The rest it's a huge it depends. Mistakes or just doing their jobs etc? Naw. Producing false evidence, high pressure confessions, etc sure

[dasva]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/co...too-2018-09-18

Pumpkin Spice Lattes are said to be the drink of choice for "white millennial women," but are actually preferred by men. Although, men will face sexism if they're caught ordering or drinking one by often being compared to someone more feminine.

I'm gunna judge anyone that orders pumpkin spice anything as having no taste and idiot that follows stupid trends. On that note I saw some Pumpkin Ghirardelli chocolate chip cookies the other day and I pumpkin spice shamed the lady who was buying like 5 packs of it. Like why you gotta ruin good chocolate like that?

[NynJa]

Your primary objection to the "culture of believe the accuser" is that it has "life-ruining" implications the small percentage of men who are falsely accused. Even though statistics demonstrates they are very far and few between and that adding harsh penalties for false accusations (on top of preexisting recourse in the system) would stymie already dramatic under-reporting, your stance is that it's problematic for victims of the system.

So I'm curious as why you think it's okay for the state to use the death penalty, which has life-ending implications, for a small percentage of people who are falsely convicted.

The only examples I had of DP being acceptable was someone getting convicted of murder multiple times, or someone who attempted a terrorist attack.

How many people have been falsely convicted of MULTIPLE murder charges?

[archibaldcrane]

The only examples I had of DP being acceptable was someone getting convicted of murder multiple times, or someone who attempted a terrorist attack.

hmm

Someone who harms animals for their own sick pleasures? Absolutely.

[Yuri-G]

there is nothing sexist about pumpkin spice lattes. I judge all pumpkin spice people equally regardless of gender, sexuality, heteronormativity, etc.

[NynJa]

hmm

Are you defending animal abusers?!?

[Zealot]

I'm with Nynja on animal abusers, instant death, Philippine style.

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[Gredival]

The only examples I had of DP being acceptable was someone getting convicted of murder multiple times, or someone who attempted a terrorist attack.

How many people have been falsely convicted of MULTIPLE murder charges?

1. Are you as ardently opposed to overuse of the death penalty as punishment for single murder convictions as you are about false rape accusations? Or is it like animal abuse where your sympathy of the victim is what drives your outrage, therefore you care more about men being falsely accused?

2. George Stinney, Rubin Carter, James Joseph Richardson, The Ford Heights Four, Joseph Sledge, Richard Coley, Anthony Porter, Leroy Orange, Anthony Ray Hinton, Martin Tankleff, Cameron Todd Willingham, Gary Gauger, David Camm

[NynJa]

1. Are you as ardently opposed to overuse of the death penalty as punishment for single murder convictions as you are about false rape accusations? Or is it like animal abuse where your sympathy of the victim is what drives your outrage, therefore you care more about men being falsely accused?

False rape accusations come from someone flat out bullshitting. A false murder conviction comes from a wrongfully accused and some shoddy detective work.

Furthermore, most of your examples are ancient. Technological advancements have significantly changed the game:
George Stinney: 1944
Rubin Carter: 1966
James Joseph Richardson: 1968
The Ford Heights Four: 1978
Joseph Sledge: 1978, was already a convicted felon who had escaped prison and was caught in a stolen vehicle. Two inmates said he confessed to them of the murders.
Richard Coley: 1978
Anthony Porter: 1982
Leroy Orange: 1984
Anthony Ray Hinton: 1985
Martin Tankleff: 1988
Cameron Todd Willingham: 1991, was convicted of arson, which AFAIK is rather difficult to get evidence of due to the destructive properties of fire. There were confessions of perjury by the witnesses as well.
Gary Gauger: 1993
David Camm: 2000

Also, all of these wrongful convictions are from the same incident, even if there were multiple murders. None of these examples are of someone who was rightfully convicted / wrongfully convicted and then pardoned of murder, and then got wrongfully convicted a second time.

Oh, and majority of these falsely convicted people, especially before the 80's, just happen to be black, in very blatant racist America.

[Gredival]

Also, all of these wrongful convictions are from the same incident, even if there were multiple murders. None of these examples are of someone who was rightfully convicted / wrongfully convicted and then pardoned of murder, and then got wrongfully convicted a second time.

Because that shit doesn't happen and that's a totally unrealistic standard.

Oh, and majority of these falsely convicted people, especially before the 80's, just happen to be black, in very blatant racist America.

And yet you see no problem at all with how sexual assault is excused in a very blatantly sexist America?

[Day]

Does it really matter if a few innocent men got wrapped up in this? That's just a price Im willing to pay.

[Day]

How many black men were hanged/convicted due to 'credible allegations' you do have to wonder.

[Gredival]

Does it really matter if a few innocent men got wrapped up in this? That's just a price Im willing to pay.

And it goes right over your head that this is the exact type of logic in play with wrongful death penalty cases as well. The point is that since they aren't victims of white male persecution it's not a crusade you care to take up.

[Day]

And it goes right over your head that this is the exact type of logic in play with wrongful death penalty cases as well. The point is that since they aren't victims of white male persecution it's not a crusade you care to take up.

First of all it doesnt go over my head see my post before you typed this. Why would sexual assault allegations have anything to do with race. I don't want innocent men or women of any color to be convicted. In fact it seems for once we agree on something, unless you only care about blacks for some weird racist reason.

[Zealot]

How many black men were hanged/convicted due to 'credible allegations' you do have to wonder.

So

The comparison is how many people were tried and killed due to a system that actively conspired to oppress and sometimes kill them

vs

How many people are caught up in a wave of people fighting back against a system actively conspiring to oppress and sometimes kill them

[Day]

I dont think its a "vs" type situation