PC Principal V: What The Fuck Am I Reading

[guartz]

No I said there is a recognized legal distinction between individual acts of discrimination (disparate treatment) and "systemic" forms (disparate impact) and it isn't about whether or not a law is codified discrimination.

SCOTUS rulings are interpretations of law, not new laws in and of themselves. When SCOTUS recognized that there is a cause of action for disparate impact discrimination under Title VII, Title VIII, the ADA, etc. then that means standing originates from that legislation not from the SCOTUS case.

Disparate impact claims have since been used together with the equal protection clause to challenge things like racial biases in jury composition, standardized testing, criminal sentencing (the death penalty), etc. all of which are clearly forms of underlying "systemic" discrimination in which instrumentalities of the system itself are working against black persons despite the lack of any legally codified discrimination.

So where's the lie?



1. "Disparate impact theory is the idea that discrimination need not inhere in overt acts. Some people do call it "unintentional discrimination" like you say but it's more so the idea that if there is smoke, there is fire. "

2. Based on compiled FBI data (which is in turn skewed by voluntary reporting) Vox found that US police kill black persons at disproportionate rates. Black people accounted for 13% of the population but 31% of police victims in 2012. The Guardian reports in 2015 that racial minorities made up 37.4% of the population in the US and 46.6% of armed AND unarmed victims, but were 62.7% percent of unarmed people killed by police. https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism

Minorities are more likely to be stopped by the police. Coviello, D. and Persico, N. (2013). An Economic Analysis of Black-White Disparities in NYPD’s Stop and Frisk Program.

Minorities are more likely to be convicted of a crime. Anwar, S., Bayer, P., and Hjalmarsson, R. (2012). The impact of jury race in criminal trials.

Minorities are more likely to be issued a longer prison sentence relative to observably similar whites. Rehavi, M. M. and Starr, S. B. (2014). Racial disparity in federal criminal sentences.



Nice strawman. Except if you look above, the statistics about how minorities are treated differently are already contextualized to different levels of policing present in communities and account different base rates for races being victims.

For example, higher crime rates in black communities (which itself is a lingering socioeconomic effect of "legally systemic" oppression) only explains at most 80% of black overrepresentation in prison according to the Sentencing Project. This means that up to 39 percent of the racially disparate rate of imprisonment is attributable to other factors. http://sentencingproject.org/doc/pub...ves_Matter.pdf

So disparity cannot be explained away with mere happenstance (and even if it could, as I said, disparate rates of crime between communities should arguably be treated as institutional racism itself). The disparities originate from different treatment comparative to whites.

a quote from the vox article you linked:
"But a review of the research by the Sentencing Project concluded that throughout various time periods in the past few decades, the higher crime rates in black communities only explained about 61 to 80 percent of black overrepresentation in prisons. This means that up to 39 percent of the racially disparate rate of imprisonment is attributable to other factors, including, potentially, racial bias or past criminal records influencing a prison sentence.

Another study, from 2015, by researcher Cody Ross found, "There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates." That suggests that, again, other factors are involved in the disparities seen for these shootings."

[Gredival]

a quote from the vox article you linked:
That suggests that, again, other factors are involved in the disparities seen for these shootings."

And did you just skip over the bit where it said "including, potentially, racial bias" ?

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[Greatguardian]

a quote from the vox article you linked:
"But a review of the research by the Sentencing Project concluded that throughout various time periods in the past few decades, the higher crime rates in black communities only explained about 61 to 80 percent of black overrepresentation in prisons. This means that up to 39 percent of the racially disparate rate of imprisonment is attributable to other factors, including, potentially, racial bias or past criminal records influencing a prison sentence.

Another study, from 2015, by researcher Cody Ross found, "There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates." That suggests that, again, other factors are involved in the disparities seen for these shootings."

I think you misread both of these quotes if you're trying to use them to defend your position.

They're saying, in order:

1) There are so many black people in prison that even the higher crime rates in black neighborhoods can't account for the difference.

and

2) The racial bias in local police shootings is independent of the actual crime rate of the neighborhood. Even in low-crime neighborhoods, blacks are shot more.

[guartz]

This is a sad day for self awareness.

[Salodin]

This is a sad day for self awareness.

This is a sad day for high school level reading comprehension.

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[Andalusian girls]

high school level is generous, it's been a while since someone quoted findings that refute their point thinking they are being validated.

[dasva]

high school level is generous, it's been a while since someone quoted findings that refute their point thinking they are being validated.

Apology accepted

[Andalusian girls]

[dasva]

[BaneTheBrawler]

[6souls]

MN Halloween Theme Park "Scream Town" Caught Discriminating Against Somali's

A Facebook message from Scream Town owner to staff said the venue would have a "zero tolerance policy with Somalis."

An apology posted on the Scream Town Facebook page said the first post stemmed from an incident last weekend involving a group of people who were removed from the attraction after being disruptive. The apology said the message inappropriately characterized Somali-Americans.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/1...geting-somalis
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...o/89-602557101
https://www.facebook.com/LikeScreamT...56729845434096

[Niiro]

They wanted it to be scary, but not that scary.

[Gryffes]

This weeks Sunny is hilarious.

Spoiler: show

[dasva]

Ok I'll bite in this joke how did that even work?

[Gryffes]

Ok I'll bite in this joke how did that even work?

He had a single mother so when they'd go to public places/etc she'd put him in a dress so she could take him to the ladies so he wouldn't have to go alone in the mens, he just got comfortable pooping in a dress ( the heels and wig are just so other women don't find out obviously ).

[6souls]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/1...ack-babysitter

White woman in Georgia calls the police on a black man for babysitting white children. She confronted him and the children in the parking lot of a Walmart then followed them home.

On Sunday, Corey Lewis was watching two children when they went to a Walmart in Marietta, Ga., where they got some food, then stopped at a gas station to fill up the car. A woman followed them and approached, asking to speak to the children, Lewis said; he refused. She trailed them until Lewis reached his mother's home.

Lewis said he knew why.

"Because I got two kids with me that don't look like me," he said.

The footage shows a Cobb County police officer pulling up as Lewis waits with the children outside his mother's home. The woman who called the police is waiting in her own vehicle down the street.

Lewis tells the officer that the woman had approached earlier, asking if the kids were OK.

"Why wouldn't they be OK? No one's yelling, no one's screaming, No one's trying to run away," he says.

The officer asks, "Do you mind if I talk to them [the children]?"

"That's crazy. ... Why?" Lewis responded. The officer says he has to perform a wellness check and instructs the children to get out of the car.

The girl explains that Lewis is their babysitter and that "this lady started following us."

"I work with kids every day," Lewis tells the officer. "Even on my off days."

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/1...ack-babysitter
https://www.facebook.com/corey.f.lew...2549738634704/

[dasva]

Dwayne Johnson faces backlash after casting himself as John Henry in new Netflix movie

Not black enough

[Zetanio]

Oh man, nothing like some self-cannibalizing bullshit. The Rock is probably one of the greatest people in Hollywood and people are still getting pissed.

[Xno Kappa]

Dwayne Johnson faces backlash after casting himself as John Henry in new Netflix movie

Not black enough

I feel like this defines the PC/SJW culture of news in 2018. Pull a couple of tweets from random nobodies and slap "outrage" and "backlash" over it.

[Niiro]

Viral “Manspreading” Video is Staged Kremlin Propaganda

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/viral-manspre...in-propaganda/

The video went viral worldwide after it was published by In The Now – an English language social media channel owned by RT (Russia Today), which addresses international audiences. It has so far been seen 6,4 million times under the headline “FIGHTING MANSPREADING… WITH BLEACH!” and with the comment “This is a pretty extreme way to combat #manspreading.”