SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) II: Rape Isn't On My Calendar

[Tyrath]

I mean the fact of the matter is that no one has a right to use someone else's body, even if it would help them survive. No one should make the decision for a woman whether or not she has to let a baby use her body for 9 months.

Every other argument is a red herring or a distraction. It doesn't matter.

[Tyrath]

you can hold views much stronger than just "i dont like abortion" but also not actively vote or attempt to prevent women from getting them, people have a wide range of takes on the morality of abortion and not everyone is actively legislating laws, 40% of people dont even vote in national elections lol

Then they still fall in the former camp lol

[Day]

i didn't bring up adoption by the way someone had the take no couples were waiting to adopt and i challenged that

[Forte]

you can hold views much stronger than just "i dont like abortion" but also not actively vote or attempt to prevent women from getting them, people have a wide range of takes on the morality of abortion and not everyone is actively legislating laws, 40% of people dont even vote in national elections lol

Please elaborate on what a stronger view than "I don't like abortion but I'm not going to force you to not be able to get one" is. Because that's literally the line I am drawing. If you step over from "I don't like abortions" to "You should not be allowed to have one", you go from "Understandable let's have a dialog about this so we can understand each other and form mutual respect" to "Fuck off this planet instantly you hypocritical fuck". It's about as easy of a distinction as I can make it. What part of this is confusing you?

[archibaldcrane]

It's probably quite easy to get a newborn adopted, even if not-white, and most of the kids in foster care are well above "prime adoption" age.

regardless abortion should be legal

[Forte]

It's probably quite easy to get a newborn adopted, even if not-white, and most of the kids in foster care are well above "prime adoption" age.

regardless abortion should be legal

Unless EVERY SINGLE CHILD born this way gets adopted to a family that is capable of supporting them COMPLETELY, the point is 100% moot. And this doesn't even begin to handle the "stop forcing women to do shit" angle. I'm strictly speaking about the "baby" angle because this seems to be the one argument anti-abortion folks have, and it almost completely comes from religion telling them to feel this way.

[Day]

It's probably quite easy to get a newborn adopted, even if not-white, and most of the kids in foster care are well above "prime adoption" age.

regardless abortion should be legal

i dont think it's as easy as one would hope

[Day]

brief google fu tells me between 1-2 million parents waiting to adopt

heres an article on the challenges

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...s-hard/620258/

[kuronosan]

It's probably quite easy to get a newborn adopted

It's not

[zoobernut]

Ultimately though the argument about what happens to a baby after it is born completely misses the point about body autonomy. You cannot harvest organs or parts from a person after they have died without their consent prior to their death. A DEAD body has more rights than a woman seeking an abortion. This even includes situations where harvesting parts from the dead body would save someone's life. We literally allow people to die of preventable causes in order to maintain that people have control over their bodies even after death.

[archibaldcrane]

i dont think it's as easy as one would hope

brief google fu tells me between 1-2 million parents waiting to adopt

heres an article on the challenges

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...s-hard/620258/

Article seems to fully back up my assertion that newborns put up for adoption get snatched up immediately and it's just there's way fewer newborns put up / adoptive parents don't want kids who are too old / the vast majority of kids in foster care weren't put there voluntarily by their birth parents.

Of the nearly 4 million American children who are born each year, only about 18,000 are voluntarily relinquished for adoption. Though the statistics are unreliable, some estimates suggest that dozens of couples are now waiting to adopt each available baby. Since the mid-1970s—the end of the so-called baby-scoop era, when large numbers of unmarried women placed their children for adoption—the percentage of never-married women who relinquish their infants has declined from nearly 9 percent to less than 1 percent.

[Forte]

Ultimately though the argument about what happens to a baby after it is born completely misses the point about body autonomy. You cannot harvest organs or parts from a person after they have died without their consent prior to their death. A DEAD body has more rights than a woman seeking an abortion. This even includes situations where harvesting parts from the dead body would save someone's life. We literally allow people to die of preventable causes in order to maintain that people have control over their bodies even after death.

I never said the argument held any water. I'm saying the argument in of itself is hypocritical as fuck in addition to being insane.

[archibaldcrane]

It's not

Are people not understanding my tenses here? I'm not saying if you want to adopt a newborn it's easy to find one, I'm saying if you birth a newborn and put it up for adoption it'll find a home quickly.

[Mertron]

Gonna need some context? Im presuming its a zing over something hes said in the past?

late but the Fox News thing i mentioned is because during the pandemic he made multiple appearances on fox news saying covid isn’t a big deal, quarantine is dumb, mandates are dumb, open everything, etc

in general, he’s considered a shit person due to multiple claims of him going after younger women and videotaping them without their knowledge/consent, and also being a bit more “physical” than some of the women may have wanted

[Cream Soda]

you can hold views much stronger than just "i dont like abortion" but also not actively vote or attempt to prevent women from getting them, people have a wide range of takes on the morality of abortion and not everyone is actively legislating laws, 40% of people dont even vote in national elections lol

I mean that's the issue with the 2 party system. You can be against abortion but for everything else the party has to offer and that's where you are.

As long as it's this or that, black or white, and there's no realistic options, then ppl going to hae to sacrifice one issue for another they find more important

[kuronosan]

Are people not understanding my tenses here? I'm not saying if you want to adopt a newborn it's easy to find one, I'm saying if you birth a newborn and put it up for adoption it'll find a home quickly.

It won't

[archibaldcrane]

yes it will

[Day]

Article seems to fully back up my assertion that newborns put up for adoption get snatched up immediately and it's just there's way fewer newborns put up / adoptive parents don't want kids who are too old / the vast majority of kids in foster care weren't put there voluntarily by their birth parents.

well newborns are what we are talking about when it comes to abortion just sayin

[Cream Soda]

well newborns are what we are talking about when it comes to abortion just sayin

Even if it were, if someone don't want to get sick for months and have to take time off work just to give something up for adoption with no compensation, getting passed up for that promotion, etc, then unless you going to compensate them for their financial loss, then you lose all right to input at that point lol

[Day]

im not advocating anyone be forced to have a child