SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) II: Rape Isn't On My Calendar

[Lyltia]

The issue is the people who aren't. Make your own life decisions. once people decide they need to make decisions for other people; that's the issue.

The same way I won't tell someone they need to get an abortion they shouldn't tell someone else that they need to have a child they don't want to have

Imagine a society where I could murder a newborn baby, tell the police it was, like, my choice, man, and walk away consequence-free; if you believe that abortion is murder, that is the world you're living in right now, give or take a couple minutes.

That argument makes perfect sense to you and me, sure. Imagine how it sounds to them?

The fact of the matter is that abortion law will never be settled in this country. Maybe it's better in the long run if it goes back to the states and we continue to sort ourselves geographically according to the type of government we want to live under.

Definitely a civil war in that timeline, though.

[archibaldcrane]

So back to the Supreme Court - honest question, I don't know the answer to this:

If someone was to find, say, Alito and snipe him with a deer rifle tomorrow, would this ruling still be able to be issued since it was already written? Or do all 5 justices have to be present and accounted for when the ruling is presented in July?

[Tyrath]

So back to the Supreme Court - honest question, I don't know the answer to this:

If someone was to find, say, Alito and snipe him with a deer rifle tomorrow, would this ruling still be able to be issued since it was already written? Or do all 5 justices have to be present and accounted for when the ruling is presented in July?

Asking for a friend?

[archibaldcrane]

Imagine a society where I could murder a newborn baby, tell the police it was, like, my choice, man, and walk away consequence-free; if you believe that abortion is murder, that is the world you're living in right now, give or take a couple minutes.

The vast majority of states right now don't allow for late-term abortions except for to protect the mother's life or health.

[Cream Soda]

Imagine a society where I could murder a newborn baby

Murder:

the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

You can't have a legal abortion that is unlawful. Unlawful and legal are mutually exclusive. Abortion is not murder. Try again. (why does everyone try to use the worst/most damaging word possible when presenting their case? lol)

[archibaldcrane]

Asking for a friend?

to be honest, the fact that nobody even got a shot off at Obama made me significantly downgrade the my estimation of the threat of militant white supremacy in America. Now we've seen dozens of abortion clinic bombings / abortion doctor assassinations in the past few decades, but I do wonder whether the pro-choice side has the juice or not, especially under a short timeframe.

Surprising (or maybe not?) aside: 100% of the killers of the 11 people in anti-abortion terrorism in America were caught.

[Mertron]

they have pink hats, what more do you want?

[Kaslo]

Unlawful and legal are mutually exclusive.

This is not accurate, but it would derail in a non-relevant manner.

[archibaldcrane]

they have pink hats, what more do you want?

my wife is actually friends with one of the two women who thought up / created the pussy hat thing lol

[Mertron]

welp time to tell her to up production

[Salodin]

Imagine a society where I could murder a newborn baby, tell the police it was, like, my choice, man, and walk away consequence-free; if you believe that abortion is murder, that is the world you're living in right now, give or take a couple minutes.

That argument makes perfect sense to you and me, sure. Imagine how it sounds to them?

The fact of the matter is that abortion law will never be settled in this country. Maybe it's better in the long run if it goes back to the states and we continue to sort ourselves geographically according to the type of government we want to live under.

Definitely a civil war in that timeline, though.

Good thing no one anywhere is talking about killing babies. We're talking about aborting a fetus

But really, maybe we should let states decide if women have autonomy over their bodies? That sounds right to you?

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[Lyltia]

The vast majority of states right now don't allow for late-term abortions except for to protect the mother's life or health.

The point was to highlight the distinction between born and unborn, as you well know.

Cream Soda - You are missing the point. To these people, abortion is murder, laws be damned. I am talking about what they believe, it doesn't have to make sense to you and me.

[Cream Soda]

To these people, abortion is murder

That's like saying "to me, the Earth is flat" just because I say something doesn't make it true.

As long as they're speaking English, and not some other language that sounds like English but isn't, then it doesn't matter what they think they're just factually wrong to call it murder

[mallister]

Fox news reassures us it's all ok, women in red states can just go somewhere else if they need an abortion what's the big deal.

[kuronosan]

Imagine a society where I could murder a newborn baby, tell the police it was, like, my choice, man, and walk away consequence-free; if you believe that abortion is murder, that is the world you're living in right now, give or take a couple minutes.

This is delusional folly. They may live in a world where abortion is murder but only because they lack the education to realize that the vast majority of abortions are conducted at an age where life has not completely developed.

A heart beat is not life. A brain is not life. It's electricity. Advocates often have difficulty accepting this even in adult brain death yet every day these conversations take place and people are like "noes keep them on life support".

What's arguable is the threshold at where life conceivably takes place and arguing that "when it has a heartbeat" is fucking stupid and not akin to murder. I really don't care how much someone's feelings about murder govern their thinking, scientifically there's no life at 6 weeks or even arguably at 12 weeks either.

So if someone is walking around equating murdering a newborn with aborting a sack of potentiating cells they're fucking stupid. Period.

And as someone who has had talk with patients who had abortions for whichever reason I can tell you they certainly don't walk away consequence-free.

It's not a lack of understanding the mentality of a staunch pro-life advocate, it's their lack of understanding of science or lack of empathy towards others.

Either way, I've been on both sides of the issue and I can tell you more harm comes than good from holding the position "all abortions are murder". Fuck anyone who thinks that way.

The onus is not on society to prove that the sky is blue to someone who thinks it's purple.

[archibaldcrane]

Strongly disagree with the above, a human embryo is both human and alive.

The reason it shouldn't be illegal to kill it is because that life is rightly not in the state's purview.

[Forte]

i'm not advocating for anyone really, mainly just trying to get folks to stop viewing everyone as black/white, good/evil when obviously people are on a spectrum and have a wide variety of views on everything, at least we made it from pro lifers are subhuman scum to only the ones that vote, feels like progress

I'm struggling to think of how either allowing women to have abortions, or outlawing it, isn't black and white. Again, please tell me how you can be half.

[Cream Soda]

Oh a fetus is definitely a life. I just don't agree that one individual is responsible to carry it for 9 months. If you can remove the fetus and put it in another vessel and birth it? sure. the same way you can't make me responsible to house someone for 9 months though? the same applies to women with fetuses

It's 100% a live human, just not one person's responsibility if they don't want to incubate it

[Cream Soda]

I'm struggling to think of how either allowing women to have abortions, or outlawing it, isn't black and white. Again, please tell me how you can be half.

Let each person choose for themselves

[Lyltia]

Good thing no one anywhere is talking about killing babies. We're talking about aborting a fetus

But really, maybe we should let states decide if women have autonomy over their bodies? That sounds right to you?

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The other side is right now cheering the purported end of Roe because it will end the killing of babies. They're talking about it right now, all over the internet, using those words.

It doesn't sound right to me at all, it sounds like a dystopian hellscape.

Does anyone really think that these people are going to one day roll over and be like, 'hey guys y'know what, abortion isn't murder, our bad, let's be friends again!' What is the endgame here? They spent the better part of a century working to overturn Roe and here we are. The people who care about outlawing abortion treat it like a crusade. The geographic sorting by ideology is already well underway, for this exact reason amongst others. It doesn't sound right, but what is the alternative?