SCOTUS Thread (News and Discussion) II: Rape Isn't On My Calendar

[NynJa]

Can confirm, I spoke to God and they told me the same thing. He doesnt give a soul until the parasite can sustain itself outside the host.

[Gredival]

Nah even parasites have souls. But a soul doesn't have rights, and certainly not rights that trump another person's right to bodily autonomy.

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[Day]

I don't believe God ensouls the fetus until it takes its first breath outside the womb.

quite possible

[Kaslo]

I don't believe God ensouls the fetus until it takes its first breath outside the womb.

That's why babies cry, they are being violated by a soul.

[Tyrath]

[zoobernut]

I actually personally believe life starts at conception and that abortion is an ending of a life. But I think that modern conception of liberty and bodily autonomy should be an absolute bar on any personal obligation for a woman to maintain a pregnancy. Absent casual factors, no one is legally obligated to even the most minor inconvenience to save another person's life. (And before some smart ass says that a woman having sex is the cause of the pregnancy, I'm talking about causing injury or risk obligates one to mitigate that injury and risk; creating a life is different from being the cause of a danger to another's life)

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This is what it really boils down to for me. We have all sorts of laws about how no one is obligated to save someone else's life. How people's controls over their bodies is absolute even in death. How no one can be coerced to help someone else even if it means their death and yet somehow all that stops at this one subject. Why aren't the pro-lifers going after the right to harvest organs from someone's body after they die regardless of their wishes? I don't know exact numbers but how many people needlessly die each year because there are not enough organs and how many viable organs are wasted because someone chose to not be an organ donor?

[Yabby]

That's why babies cry, they are being violated by a soul.

Day, this is the perfect time to use the gif.

[Day]

That's why babies cry, they are being violated by a soul.

[thetruepandagod]

[Day]

lmfao

[Day]

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[Forte]

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You say that as a joke but this already popped up on my facebook...

[kuronosan]

Just boggles my mind how people delineate "life at conception" from actual life.

Life, as in the active process of growth, dividing, maturation, and eventual independent existence might obviously begin at conception, but that is most definitely not consistent with being alive.

I hate it as an argument, because most people who say life begins at conception use the term in a very simplistic manner when the reality is not that simple.

At 6 weeks pressure and primitive pacemaker cells constitute a heartbeat. Is that a baby? No it isn't. It is a fetus. As Gred posted, it is potential.

At 12 weeks enough development has taken place where the brain is beginning to make connections and the organs just begin to develop and mature, a process that takes 9-10 weeks to take place with the lungs developing last. One could argue that within the 12-20 week time period, a fetus is alive but still incapable of survival outside of the womb as 1) it lacks an independent circulatory system and 2) its lungs cannot generate the pressure needed to breathe in air.

Unfortunately, imaging cannot detect significant defects until 12 weeks at the earliest, 18 weeks at the most typical, and at these periods, often only with cotesting and significant risk of miscarriage. At 20-23 weeks, most significant defects are apparent.

By that time, we're close to the age a baby could survive on a ventilator with a huge risk, but we're also at the time parents have picked out a name, clothes, maybe had a baby shower, and are feeling kicks.

It's fucking mindless to think people are "just okay" with terminating pregnancies at this point in time, yet stupid chucklefucks call them murderers all the same whether it's 6 weeks or 16 weeks along.

The debate need not be when we consider it life, yet it often is because it's hard to argue what life is or what constitutes life when the counter argument is "well like God put a soul in it as soon as the cum touched the egg".

Can't tell you how many patients I have talked to who had abortions and difficulty getting over it, but I can certainly tell you how many had abortions and were super okay with it, because the answer is zero.

Being free to choose does not mean you're happy with the choice you made, and I wish more people realized that.

[Tyrath]

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No the sick world part is banning abortions.

Because you can't ban abortions. Only safe abortions.

[Mayareira]

It's fucking mindless to think people are "just okay" with terminating pregnancies at this point in time, yet stupid chucklefucks call them murderers all the same whether it's 6 weeks or 16 weeks along.

Being free to choose does not mean you're happy with the choice you made, and I wish more people realized that.

This is so true. The whole process is traumatizing enough especially for the women and the constant discussion everywhere with heavy concepts about it isn't helping. At all.

[Forte]

Life is extremely complex and confusing and not at all sane and rational. Consider the Ship of Theseus thought experiment and realize that not a single cell in your body that existed when you were born still exists inside of you now.

[Day]

kuro do you speak to many men dealing w the trauma?

[kuronosan]

No. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

[archibaldcrane]

Life is extremely complex and confusing and not at all sane and rational. Consider the Ship of Theseus thought experiment and realize that not a single cell in your body that existed when you were born still exists inside of you now.

Aren't women born with all the egg cells they'll ever produce?

[Penthesilea]

Aren't women born with all the egg cells they'll ever produce?

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...ive%20lifetime.

They start with 6-7 million at fetal life, 1 million at birth, and then 300k at puberty