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  1. #2221
    Absolute Messenger of Promathia
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    The only thing I can chime in regarding this is is the devs aren’t stupid. They knew 100% that the units were super OP and that we’d know they were super OP. They absolutely test this stuff, they aren’t some back company anecdotes aside these stats and modifiers got skills absolutely go through QA and testing and they know how powerful a unit is it potentially is. They knew we’d find out from mining too.

    These nerfs cannot be explained away by them “realizing” they’re OP. They knew. So them putting these OPAF units in game knowing we’d mine them and find out they’re OPAF and then change them literally last second is suspect as shit. They had chances to change them long before that last second patch.

    Idk, this smells hugely like bait and switch, there was definitely something dirty happening but for what purpose would just be speculation.

  2. #2222
    Nidhogg
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    Personally, I'm not convinced they do any in depth testing. There's been more than a few times that new content or events were broken and unplayable, units didn't work as advertised until further fixes in subsequent updates (Qin comes to mind), buffs were altered after being announced (6* PS Rydia getting w-summon GLEX buff, only for it to be changed to Rod Mastery after it was pointed out her 7* gets it), claims that units will chain, only for them not to, and it get fixed in a ninja patch in the future. You can look at both Kain and Ultima for an example.

  3. #2223
    Cyn
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    Didn't they actually nerf Sylvie during maintenance as well? Meaning that they were definitely looking at the characters for one reason or another. NOTHING about the last second nerf was accidental.

  4. #2224
    Absolute Messenger of Promathia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    Personally, I'm not convinced they do any in depth testing. There's been more than a few times that new content or events were broken and unplayable, units didn't work as advertised until further fixes in subsequent updates (Qin comes to mind), buffs were altered after being announced (6* PS Rydia getting w-summon GLEX buff, only for it to be changed to Rod Mastery after it was pointed out her 7* gets it), claims that units will chain, only for them not to, and it get fixed in a ninja patch in the future. You can look at both Kain and Ultima for an example.
    The Chaining issues are usually linked to "starting frame" issues, meaning default attack animation, moving animation, or "casting" animation frame difference and them just using the wrong one. Qin is a bit different in terms of "thinking he'd be useful"... but yah.

    Still, Not saying they're competent when it comes to things favoring us, and maybe they let those kind of things slip through, but I don't think I can be convinced they were ignorant of the idea they were releasing two units that would severely cut their bottom line for support AND DPS units for the next 7 months. They knew. A DPS that outdated everything up to current JP standards? Yah, no... that was absolutely known up to the moment of nerf.

  5. #2225
    Ridill
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    Qin was absolute trash so I can totally believe that Gumi doesn't test their shit.

  6. #2226
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    Forgot about the live event for about 30 minutes. Was watching game of thrones again and forgot this was starting. Some neat qol changes and xenogears round 2. This week. Redoing the first banner and it's only banner units on a 1 round step up. Also get a free 10+1 for having 3.2k people watching.

  7. #2227
    Nidhogg
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    Is this our first event without a part 2 trial? With the weapon being a replica, I assumed the normal version would come from that. Perhaps they just didn't mention that part, they forgot til the very end to mention we'd be getting another round of lapis summoning and event login rewards.

  8. #2228
    Chram
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    Just did a floor 10 steel castle run with 3 7% def options. Think that's the first time seeing all 3 options being the same.

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    I've had it several times, and every time it makes me annoyed that something like that can even happen lol. (3 of the same is pretty much always a shitty roll too)

  10. #2230
    Nidhogg
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    Unless they botched the maintenance times, maintenance will be from 5PM thru 10PM EST this Thursday.

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    I'm definitely looking forward to completing all of the parameter missions in about 5 minutes if they don't buff them from JP.

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    Ridill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkar View Post
    Qin was absolute trash so I can totally believe that Gumi doesn't test their shit.
    But they hyped her so much... speaking of the official FB page is telling us to be hype for Easter stuff not long after their only trust official sources which give us nothing to be hype about giving me the inclination they knew why we were hype about this and that it had nothing to do with official stuff which basically tells us nothing



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    I'm definitely looking forward to completing all of the parameter missions in about 5 minutes if they don't buff them from JP.
    Right now I'm on everything but spr and mp. Spr I can do once I finish my Eiko's Tmr which I'm actually currently farming yay.

    Mp I'm currently far as fuck away from doing... but given I already have 1 Sylvie if I get another I'll be within 10 so some augments make it easy. And since she is one of the few high mp people that can use hammers I can actually run a great mp piece thru IW without feeling like I need to go back later and reroll for stats that weapon actually wants

  13. #2233
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    Checked out my friend list for the first time in a long time, I was nearly 100 down from cap. Dunno when or how that happened.

    Anyways, as far as BG friends, it looks like I've got:

    Dasva
    Bladen
    Rikiyame
    Tyon/DFJS
    Auspice
    Xellon/DB
    Deezer
    Mina (too cool to put BG in her message)
    Zealot (for when he comes back to earn our votes)

    Missing a lot that post on here it seems, unless some don't have BG in their message. Add me at 037,694,570. I've got Esther up atm setup for attack to OTKO raid boss.

  14. #2234
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    Checked out my friend list for the first time in a long time, I was nearly 100 down from cap. Dunno when or how that happened.

    Anyways, as far as BG friends, it looks like I've got:

    Dasva
    Bladen
    Rikiyame
    Tyon/DFJS
    Auspice
    Xellon/DB
    Deezer
    Mina (too cool to put BG in her message)
    Zealot (for when he comes back to earn our votes)

    Missing a lot that post on here it seems, unless some don't have BG in their message. Add me at 037,694,570. I've got Esther up atm setup for attack to OTKO raid boss.
    Added. Anyone else can add me too. I also have Esther up for the event, and probably going forward for the most part. ID is in my sig.

  15. #2235
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    I know I use to have you in my flist Malithar, no clue what happened there but sent out a new request. Also I went ahead and pruned out some of the dead units in my list, have some free spots open. I generally keep up an event unit or special requests. 637074085

  16. #2236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    Checked out my friend list for the first time in a long time, I was nearly 100 down from cap. Dunno when or how that happened.

    Anyways, as far as BG friends, it looks like I've got:

    Dasva
    Bladen
    Rikiyame
    Tyon/DFJS
    Auspice
    Xellon/DB
    Deezer
    Mina (too cool to put BG in her message)
    Zealot (for when he comes back to earn our votes)

    Missing a lot that post on here it seems, unless some don't have BG in their message. Add me at 037,694,570. I've got Esther up atm setup for attack to OTKO raid boss.
    You've got me too! I just used your friend unit a day or two ago, unless you removed me.

  17. #2237
    Ze NinjaSYXX
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    I got you in my list, which is odd

  18. #2238
    Nidhogg
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    Yeah, I dunno. Something seems bugged or something. Neither of you are on the list. I could give pics but that'd be really tedious. I tried to refriend you too and got the same message.

    Only thing I can think is either it's bugged and it's not showing me my full friend list or we're FB friends, but that shouldn't show me on your friend list then. After accepting the others, I'm sitting at 40/130 and I used to be capped. Guess I'll send in a support ticket. Or maybe I'll just charge back and keep playing.

  19. #2239
    Ridill
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    Friendlist has been really weirdly bugged for awhile now especially with FB friends stuff and when you go over your limit or all of a sudden lose a bunch. But it like the expedition chests from hell is low on the list of priorities

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    Sent some requests.

    I am going to be spamming cactaurs forever after this event, but at least it shouldn't be quite as bad as CNY (because I have fewer NRG pots.) Not sure wtf I'm going to do with the extra gil.

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