Loki (D+) - June 9, 2021

[Xno Kappa]

My single biggest complaint is that I now have to wait for season two.

The fact almost the entire finale was a slow burn, building the blocks for the future of the MCU was awesome. Yeah I would’ve loved something more concrete as a finish but the actions of this series seems profound enough of for what may lay ahead.

[Obsidian]

In an episode full of "oh fuck" moments, it's kind of incredible they managed to end it on the biggest "oh fuck" of the episode so casually.

[Ratatapa]

So when are we getting an alligator Loki spin-off ?

[Cail]

So when are we getting an alligator Loki spin-off ?

As long as classic Loki is involved!!

[Guitarman]

I do wonder how they're going to handle the MCU moving forward between season 1 and 2. Supposedly Season 2 starts shooting in early 2022, so at the very soonest we would get late 2022, more likely early 2023. Does Season 2 just kind of go with the changes all these new movies will showcase? Does it ignore them completely and stay its own contained story? It'll be interesting to see how they handle it.

[Souj]

Edit; was writing this post while Guitarman posted his comment. Oddly I echo it quite a bit lol

Wondering how far off season 2 is. I presume they chose this specific place to stop because what happens in Season 2 would either spoil the upcoming movies or the upcoming movies are needed to fill in the gaps for season 2.

[kuronosan]

Holy fuck they nailed that character so well. I about marked in my chair when I saw who it was.

[Fhloston]

Holy fuck, easily my favorite of the D+ series so far. I'm thinking in S2..

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it'll be a more of a contained story involving Loki finding out where he is, finding Sylvie and Ravonna. They've set up enough characters to carry on a show, and interesting characters that I give a damn about. The repercussions of Sylvie's actions will be handled in the movies though.

As for the comment on the finale casting a shadow on the series before it..

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I think they did a tremendous job on showing the growth of Loki's character. The fact that he believed Kang in the end and knew that this was all bigger than him and his previous goal. Gotta remember this is the same Loki who still went on to do his shenanigans in Thor 2 & 3. This Loki grew past all of that and tried to save the MCU in the end.

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[Dantrag]

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So this means the other TVAs are less of controlling their timelines but attacking others? The sacred timeline was about keeping their single timeline correct but we don't know if that's the same as the others.

[Souj]

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So this means the other TVAs are less of controlling their timelines but attacking others? The sacred timeline was about keeping their single timeline correct but we don't know if that's the same as the others.

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presumably, the Kang we saw was keeping to his timeline so he was the only Kang. Every time something deviated from the timeline, it created the possibility of another Kang. Our Kang was destroying timelines. Presumably, this new Kang ruler is either going to be doing the same or, instead of destroying the new timeline, will invade and conquer them. We’ll have to wait for some movies and season 2 for what new Kang exactly wants to do.

[Dantrag]

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presumably, the Kang we saw was keeping to his timeline so he was the only Kang. Every time something deviated from the timeline, it created the possibility of another Kang. Our Kang was destroying timelines. Presumably, this new Kang ruler is either going to be doing the same or, instead of destroying the new timeline, will invade and conquer them. We’ll have to wait for some movies and season 2 for what new Kang exactly wants to do.

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He said they were already out there and was keeping their current timeline hidden is what I thought I heard.

[Daydreamer]

I'm a little confused by the whole one timeline thing.

Clearly there are other timelines where variant loki's get pretty far in before the TVA steps in, such as gator loki or old man loki. One timeline implies one universe and no multiverse as a multiverse stems from multiple timelines (or is this somehow not the case?).

According to the sacred timeline, Loki is supposed to die to Thanos, and as such how does old man Loki even get as far as being an old man before the TVA comes knocking?

[Kaslo]

I'm a little confused by the whole one timeline thing.

Clearly there are other timelines where variant loki's get pretty far in before the TVA steps in, such as gator loki or old man loki. One timeline implies one universe and no multiverse as a multiverse stems from multiple timelines (or is this somehow not the case?).

According to the sacred timeline, Loki is supposed to die to Thanos, and as such how does old man Loki even get as far as being an old man before the TVA comes knocking?

Because he never interacted with anyone after that moment. He went to his own deserted island. He was snatch up when he tried to leave that island.

[Milkster]

Do you have to spoiler a show that just had the season finale?

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wasn't this the same Loki that was brain washed in Avengers 1? And he didn't start changing as a person until Ragnarok? It sucks cause Loki wasn't even about the Loki we were following. It was more about Slyvie and setting up for Kang/Immortus and the multiverse. Plus we still know very little about Slyvie. "Oh yeah we already watched Loki go through those changes in the movie or he saw his life in the scenes at the TVA." The same Loki that attacked NYC had his come to Jesus moment in like one scene. Plus nothing about Loki being a Frost giant or that lineage. How powerful Loki actually is or much about Loki. Loki was still scheming well into Ragnarok and had the same Loki who just left 2012 NYC found out that there was a version of himself that actually did kill Thor and that he could become as powerful as Kang, he would've taken that chance.


Also we not going to talk about how a white woman killed a black man that started his own business in his own office after she broke into that office and was screaming she was a victim? Slyvie is a Karen.

[Xno Kappa]

Because he never interacted with anyone after that moment. He went to his own deserted island. He was snatch up when he tried to leave that island.

Yeah Old Loki straight up said he projected his body to Thanos while he hid away and survived. Afterwards he went on a self imposed exile and only caught the attention of the TVA when he got lonely and wanted to reunite with his Thor.

[Zealot]

It would seem like, based on what we've seen, that the sacred timeline is more like every timeline moving in the same direction - a multiverse where there are variations but every outcome is essentially the same. The timelines that get pruned are the ones that start to branch off from what Immortus pre-ordained.

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[Guitarman]

Little bit of interesting info in this link:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-s...me-kang-statue

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Outright confirming Kang (not that any of us had doubts, just thought a hard confirm was nice to have):

Loki looks to the Time Keepers statue area and finds the statues are no longer there. In its place is a single statue of the face of the man he just met at the end of time in a futuristic suit— the variant He Who Remains warned them about—Kang.

Loki is in fact in a different TVA, different timeline at the end of the show:

Farahani reveals that the look and design of the Kang statue was a game day decision designed by the in-house VisDev team. He assures Marvel.com that the entire set dressing of the TVA architecture was identical to the TVA we started the series with, in order “to delay the audience and Loki’s understanding that they were in a different place, that they were in a different timeline.”

[kuronosan]

The MCM is literally shown occurring because the timelines weren't linear. The ring we see at the end of time represents the infinite linear loop of the MCU. Kang knows everything that happens up to now, which is how he was able to manipulate the timeline. The branches that are occurring are the result of his no longer influencing the TVA to prune them.

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I took the ending to mean that Loki is no longer in the prime timeline, he was sent to a universe he hadn't existed in. Kang pruned other universes to prevent other variants from not becoming him, that way the evil ones wouldn't gain control and attack other universes.

Now that he's dead, the other branches may be taking that "one timeline always" a bit further to mean destroy all timelines and are still unaware they're variants because they are still subservient to their Kang whether they know who he is or not.

More simply, this is Marvel's way of bringing in anyone they want, including older characters like Logan or Doc Ock, dead characters like Quicksilver, obscure characters like Deadpool, or new characters like F4, the Living Tribunal, or X-Men.

Now frolicking in the Quantum Realm will have significant consequences.

Edit: post above mine confirms what I said

[Daydreamer]

It would seem like, based on what we've seen, that the sacred timeline is more like every timeline moving in the same direction - a multiverse where there are variations but every outcome is essentially the same. The timelines that get pruned are the ones that start to branch off from what Immortus pre-ordained.

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I think this is the answer I was looking for. I took the word timeline to mean a singular universe which stopped making sense when you had other Lokis that clearly had different paths from err...Loki Prime. This explanation helps a lot.

[Milkster]

The singular timeline/universe theory is weird. They said they get so many infinity stones that they're used as paper weights plus these are just normal humans that were plucked from the timeline to work at the TVA and just touching them almost decimated every non super powered human or God. and those have the power to exist outside of time and space. Plus multiple of the same God in a universe with multiple different histories unless the Lokis that were pruned have been avoiding Alioth for billions of years, long enough for history and time to loop back around for a new Loki to come back into existence.