Finally listened to the first season of Serial. (Spoilers)

[Ksandra]

Adnan totally did it.

[Demosthenes]

Thank fuck someone else here is checked that shit out.

[Demosthenes]

I don't know if he did, but man his story was so similar to mine that it was scary.

[Demosthenes]

Lived one zone away in the same county. Dated a first gen Asian while keeping that shit from my immigrant family.

[Demosthenes]

If that girl got murdered, I'd have gone to jail my senior year.

[Demosthenes]

But even if he did it, they just didn't have the evidence to put him away. Shit was circumstantial as fuck!

[Zealot]

Circumstantial evidence is actually really good, we use circumstantial evidence for just about everything.

[Zealot]

The standard of guilt isn't "scientifically probable within x decimal points" it's "reasonable doubt," and circumstantial evidence is a great way to get there.

[Zealot]

Whenever some TV lawyer says "that evidence is all circumstantial!" a hundred thousand real lawyers say "yeah, and it puts your client at the scene of the crime with motive and opportunity, he's going to prison forever."

[Demosthenes]

Fair. It just seems odd that "without a shadow of a doubt" is the kicker but pretty much everything was weak as fuck.

[Ksandra]

internet detective etc etc:

I think it’s easy to forget that all involved were teens at the time, and teens lie. And I mean like really lie. If they even remotely feel they’ll be in trouble they’ll start with the lie instantly, and then their brain decides whether it’s worth it to come clean or not. I work with teens everyday and this is 100% all of them. Now some may have different standards of “trouble” but this is going to be the case. So to start: what Adnan and Jay told the cops was never going to be the complete truth in the beginning, but shouldn’t discredit later testimony. Whatever Jays’s story ended up being it was lies that he felt he had to keep and truth he felt needed to be said.

One thing I thought was consistent and something Jay has interviewed to say is he saw Hea in the trunk of the car and helped bury her. I 100% believe this to be true. Biggest evidence being he knew where the car was.

The podcast talks about memories, but Koenig acts like if you have a big event you remember that whole day clearly. I disagree. In major events in my life I remember the even super clearly but not anything that happened before it. I can remember vividly the call I got when my father died, but I remember absolute zero outside of that moment on that day.

This connects to the time stamps conflicts and the teens lying. Up until the burial, their stories conflict and neither match with the cell records. Yet from 6pm and on it matches Jay’s story while Adnan somehow remembers some stuff before that but zero during it.

I think the time records before 6 were Jay either lying because he was involved more and or because of weed dealings he wanting to hide, then deciding it wasn’t important enough to tell the real true, or just simply getting the times wrong.

I think Agnan’s timeline is what he thought would make the most sense.


Jay definitely buried the body but he had no reason to kill her and no reason to blame Adnan if it wasn’t him. There is zero reason for him to have admitted that unless it was the way he said it was.

And yeah I think it’s possible that Jay was more involved than he lead people to believe, but I think that past part is the truth.


Agnan has no reason to come clean, and he kept the lie going for so long. Now with media attention he’s gonna want to keep it up even more.


His team decided to not do the dna test btw which also makes me suspicious.