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  1. #981
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotsudoku View Post
    that's no more complex than pre-SB IR antics

    that is to say, neither is at all complex
    IR didn't exist before SB. That aside, it doesn't sound as complicated on paper but warrior's rotation, particularly its burst rotation, was never as complex or satisfying as it was in 2.0 and it would be impossible to convey why to you when you didn't get to experience it yourself. Suffice to say the loss of Fracture and the addition of Deliverance did a lot to reduce how much you had to think about using Defiance whereas before HW Defiance had more uses than just Unga bunga give hate.

    Also my replies are in direct response to the assertatiom that Defiance was merely an ogcd you used to eat tank busters or pull the boss with, which is in fact false. What I've been describing is what the OP meant by "knowing when to move in and out of Defiance". Asking what it has to do with tank enmity generation is irrelevant, however as little enmity has mattered in the past it does mean even less now.

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    It's all dicks and airplanes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenrien View Post
    This guy never stepped into any Ultimates; muchless cleared them. There is a pretty big disconnected feeling with how tanking is right now and I don't believe doing something like this will be possible anymore.


    God damn that looks fun. Where do I sign up?

  3. #983
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prothescar View Post
    IR didn't exist before SB. That aside, it doesn't sound as complicated on paper but warrior's rotation, particularly its burst rotation, was never as complex or satisfying as it was in 2.0 and it would be impossible to convey why to you when you didn't get to experience it yourself. Suffice to say the loss of Fracture and the addition of Deliverance did a lot to reduce how much you had to think about using Defiance whereas before HW Defiance had more uses than just Unga bunga give hate.

    Also my replies are in direct response to the assertatiom that Defiance was merely an ogcd you used to eat tank busters or pull the boss with, which is in fact false. What I've been describing is what the OP meant by "knowing when to move in and out of Defiance". Asking what it has to do with tank enmity generation is irrelevant, however as little enmity has mattered in the past it does mean even less now.
    my mistake. WAR has a penchant for being adjusted outside of typical intervals. the timeline gets fuzzy. I'm no stranger to the job's ARR iteration though. no idea where you got that idea from

    but bud the defiance and tank buster comments were two independent thoughts. I implore you to reread both what I wrote, and what our friend was actually originally complaining about(it's enmity)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    Enmity management consisted of calling your dps a tard for not using lucid/diversion/smoke screen/tactician/refresh/elusive jump or utilizing them as a free cooldown.
    While this hasn't happened to me, or anyone else I was paired with in DF, I can say that between the CDs of Lucid and Diversion(playing RDM), it can still get pretty tight on the aggro management. Nevermind being 100 ilvls higher than the tank and you're still sitting at #2 on the list while diversion is up. Fun times. Talking about pre 5.0 btw. I gotta wait til the 2nd to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotsudoku View Post
    but bud the defiance and tank buster comments were two independent thoughts. I implore you to reread both what I wrote, and what our friend was actually originally complaining about(it's enmity)
    Yeah I understand the context was about enmity management as an overarching theme to the conversation, however I am giving them benefit of the doubt and assuming they meant going in and out of Defiance in general as there were no situations where you would ever have to go into Defiance simply for enmity unless you were picking up a particularly troublesome add.

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    Soloing story dungeons with trusts is absolutely great. I feel more immersed into the story.

    I think I'll do them all first time with trusts until later on when I'm only going to do them for levelling.

    edit: is this a one time only feature (on first clear)? i was wondering how to requeue the dungeons with trusts if they're going to disappear from the world map
    edit edit: nevermind, the game explained it to me as i cleared

    edit2: holy shit the feels after the first dungeon. now the title screen makes sense

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    Anyone know the ilvl needed to get into final dungeons? Trying to plan ahead.

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    You don't need to worry about gear. Once you hit the level80 quest the game goes. "You now have access to SPOILER. Equipment rewards will become available for collection based on the role quests you have completed."

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    I'm casualshit and still not finished, but this.story.is.so.good

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    I'm at the lv80 portion and let me say Azyl Lla just got blown out of the fucking water

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    I'm at the lv80 portion and let me say Azyl Lla just got blown out of the fucking water
    So much, lol. Just doing it myself

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    Fuck!!! I was chilling in the Crystarium after some MSQs and VOCALS KICKED IN. FUCK!!!! So good!!!!!!!

    edit: same feels as when the vocals kicked in after completing a few quests in Nier Automata

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    level 77 quest I can't find the damn toolbox near the raidroad tracks...anyone?

    drrrr.....key item

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    So I did the expert dungeons.

    One was pretty uninteresting until I got to the end and absolutely lost my shit.

    The other was amazing from start to finish and had the kickass eScape music from the job ability trailer.

    This is an absolutely good tier of expert dungeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    The other was amazing from start to finish and had the kickass eScape music from the job ability trailer.
    Thank you for identifying its source. I was going through this gamerip of the ost i downloaded, so it should be there

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stig View Post
    Thank you for identifying its source. I was going through this gamerip of the ost i downloaded, so it should be there
    Its dungeon 8 if you're looking at the same tracklist I am.

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    possible spoiler for offensive casters

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    is Nylebert the elezen from one of ARR's first cinematics? the one where the WOL is in the crystarium looking hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotsudoku View Post
    possible spoiler for offensive casters

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    is Nylebert the elezen from one of ARR's first cinematics? the one where the WOL is in the crystarium looking hub?
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    No, he's simply a reference to that character. Those characters don't really exist in-game.

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    Spoiler: show
    I ask because in the level 76 or 78 quest, you see Ardbert with the dwarven conjurer we're intimately familiar with, and who seems like the female elezen paladin from the portion of the cinematic where the WOL is an archer battling a morbol. when he returns from that vision, he's back at the table with a female miquote(the archer?) and a male elezen with the same hairstyle as Nylebert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotsudoku View Post
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    I ask because in the level 76 or 78 quest, you see Ardbert with the dwarven conjurer we're intimately familiar with, and who seems like the female elezen paladin from the portion of the cinematic where the WOL is an archer battling a morbol. when he returns from that vision, he's back at the table with a female miquote(the archer?) and a male elezen with the same hairstyle as Nylebert
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    The Crystarium didn't exist when these guys were around the First, there' no way the opening ever happened. Not to mention the main character in that scene has the Echo. It's simply a representation of us, the player character. Ardbert was later modeled to reference that specific character and was given those same party members.

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