Thanks Day, very cool!

[tyven]

but my fav part was milkster inventing reasons for an up-to-the-minute-of-delivery abortion.

[NynJa]

One of those moments where I just typed "jezebel third trimester" and searched for this up.

https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a...-at-1781972395

Probably could come up with some stories from r/TwoXChromosomes/ if work didn't start blocking reddit last week.

You should probably read things before linking them.

That test happens at 13 weeks, which is earlier than the amnio, which is our other big genetic testing option these days. Everything came back negative, meaning everything was good. They did, however, figure out that I had a weird-shaped uterus: a normal uterus is shaped like a pear, but mine was shaped like a heart. They call it “bicornuate.” It’s rare, but not necessarily bad news; it just meant the baby would stay on one side, in essentially a studio instead of a one-bedroom.

It was around 16 weeks, I think, when we got the scan that looked like his feet were turned in—like club feet. Our doctor said he was OK, that we’d just keep watching it. Then, also around that time, we found out that I had a weird umbilical cord, or velamentous cord insertion. Normally, an umbilical cord is implanted in the center of a placenta; mine was way on the edge. That affects blood flow, affects how blood and nutrients get to the baby, so they put me on rest. And, unrelated, I was also bleeding—these huge bleeds that looked like I was having a heavy period.

Then, they did a blood test and found really bad news. Really bad. When my OB called to tell me about these results, she sounded like someone had died. Basically, there’s a certain protein that exists inside the fetus, and a tiny bit is supposed to get into the mother’s blood, but very little. I had four times the median of what’s normal. ... Yeah, some people would’ve terminated at that point. It was still legal in New York. We had until 24 weeks.

[NynJa]

I get they wanted to have hope, considering she already had a previous miscarriage, but you picked a shitty article to link considering there were a multitude of signs well before the 24 week mark.

[Fiye]

Thanks Nynja, very cool.

[Day]

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp...191+sum+HB2491

This is the bill and this is the relevant text from the summary:

The bill eliminates the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman's death or impairment of her mental or physical health, as well as the need to find that any such impairment to the woman's health would be substantial and irremediable.

So not only can it be decided in the third trimester this baby would be an "impairment to her mental health" it also no longer requires two other physicians to certify it.

Actually the whole summary of the bill is kinda gross and I don't see it getting passed in VA, but who the fuck knows

Spoiler: show

Abortion; eliminate certain requirements. Eliminates the requirement that an abortion in the second trimester of pregnancy and prior to the third trimester be performed in a hospital. The bill eliminates all the procedures and processes, including the performance of an ultrasound, required to effect a woman's informed written consent to the performance of an abortion; however, the bill does not change the requirement that a woman's informed written consent be first obtained. The bill eliminates the requirement that two other physicians certify that a third trimester abortion is necessary to prevent the woman's death or impairment of her mental or physical health, as well as the need to find that any such impairment to the woman's health would be substantial and irremediable. The bill also removes language classifying facilities that perform five or more first-trimester abortions per month as hospitals for the purpose of complying with regulations establishing minimum standards for hospitals.

[Fiye]

[Andalusian girls]

but my fav part was milkster inventing reasons for an up-to-the-minute-of-delivery abortion.

that was my second favorite tbh nothing beat 'lol how can they not tell a baby is fucked up or endangering a women's health until the third trimester' from people who have children

like yo

you didn't read the baby books

[tyven]

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp...191+sum+HB2491

This is the bill and this is the relevant text from the summary:



So not only can it be decided in the third trimester this baby would be an "impairment to her mental health" it also no longer requires two other physicians to certify it.

Actually the whole summary of the bill is kinda gross and I don't see it getting passed in VA, but who the fuck knows

a big step toward bringing Virginia in line with 40 other states in the country.

[Day]

do 40 other states allow third trimester abortions? serious question

[tyven]

man not even mississippi requires a second doctor's authorization. MISSISSIPPI

[Andalusian girls]

do 40 other states allow third trimester abortions? serious question

if you really want the data

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ter-abortions#

[Milkster]

but my fav part was milkster inventing reasons for an up-to-the-minute-of-delivery abortion.

Anytime bby. Honestly if a person is truly considering an abortion at the point of delivery outside of health complications.... I don't see that child having a good life or a long one.

[Milkster]

if you really want the data

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ter-abortions#

I was gonna link them but then they'd get stuck on the name and not the information

[Day]

if you really want the data

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ter-abortions#

i do thanks

[tyven]

do 40 other states allow third trimester abortions? serious question

idk about third trimester explicitly but 43 states allow late term abortions if the mother's health is in danger. This would not change in VA, the mother's wellness would still have to be in danger. A doctor still has to certify all the same shit. The whole point of the bill is to remove current requirements like ultrasounds and bonus doctors.

[tyven]

if you really want the data

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ter-abortions#

shit I really nailed that 43 state part. QUICK MAFFS

[Day]

shit I really nailed that 43 state part. QUICK MAFFS

hmm not sure you read that right

[Xno Kappa]

that was my second favorite tbh nothing beat 'lol how can they not tell a baby is fucked up or endangering a women's health until the third trimester' from people who have children

like yo

you didn't read the baby books

I know shit can pop up in the third trimester. My post was a knock on Milkster inventing reasons for 9 month abortions that was never detected until the last minute.

[Day]

idk about third trimester explicitly but 43 states allow late term abortions if the mother's health is in danger. This would not change in VA, the mother's wellness would still have to be in danger. A doctor still has to certify all the same shit. The whole point of the bill is to remove current requirements like ultrasounds and bonus doctors.

I'm not sure it's fair to say that's the whole point of the bill or that would be the only thing in the bill.

the mothers physical wellness, while is still debatable I can understand, especially if it's life threatening.

the language introducing "mental health" is what is concerning to me, with absolutely no restrictions on time of gestation

abortions disgust me boys sorry

[tyven]

hmm not sure you read that right

as has already been proven in this thread, im not mathmagician but I'm going to be terribly embarassed if this doesn't add up to 43

The circumstances under which later abortions are permitted vary from state to state.
19 states permit later abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman.
20 states unconstitutionally ban later abortions, except those performed to save the life or physical health of the woman.
4 states unconstitutionally limit later abortions to those performed to save the life of the woman.