Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode VIII: I'm Surrounded By Hamberders

[Tymon]

I'm not upset at all lol, there's like maybe 3 people in here I could see actually getting mad at BG politics discussion on the whole. No reason for me to get mad at people who largely share my views, even if we're pretty far off in what we're willing to do to get there.

[D44kpunk]

You're calling for putting conservatives in camps and silencing them, if you can say that without being mad you might be a sociopath

[archibaldcrane]

The decline in deadly right-wing violence (that you see when you look at certain data sets) is in Western Europe, not in the US. US data in that set looks pretty flat, not exploding or receding.

[Gredival]

Not caring about something is vastly different to wanting to kill it lol.

Yikes at the last couple ideas bounced around in here, especially by this angry guy above me.

Silencing of an entire political party and assuming they want to kill their opposition. That's some hefty shit

It is different but it's certainly deplorable to use the lives and rights of minorities as bargaining chips in a political game where the gain is tax cuts and deregulation for corporate wealth

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[D44kpunk]

The decline in deadly right-wing violence (that you see when you look at certain data sets) is in Western Europe, not in the US. US data in that set looks pretty flat, not exploding or receding.

Correct. I was specifically calling out him saying that right wing killings are happening weekly and implying it was only recently taking off when the numbers have remained largely the same since we started recording them

[D44kpunk]

It is different but it's certainly deplorable to use the lives and rights of minorities as bargaining chips in a political gain for tax cuts and deregulation.

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It's deplorable sure. But I don't think you should be talking about silencing an entire party and putting them in camps. Reasonable posters here appear to be avoiding his thoughts on this one though so I'm gonna assume most agree.

[Tymon]

You're calling for putting conservatives in camps and silencing them, if you can say that without being mad you might be a sociopath

Yeah man I totes called for people to be hauled off to camps. If camps really set you off though maybe you should take a trip down to Texas and check out the camps the conservative administration is hauling people off to as we speak.

I get blasted on here for absolutism a lot but if this isn't the textbook definition of it then I'll be damned.

[Tymon]

Also I claimed that we are facing a scenario where young people are being radicalized at an alarming rate. That is not incorrect - not all of these people go on to actually be violent. Or are you denying the alt-rights massive popularity explosion?

Say what you want - alt-right inspired terrorism occurs in the US on nearly a weekly basis. Based on the available data this seems to be relatively consistent even prior to the popularity surge in the alt-right, which to me is even more alarming and an even stronger indictment on the supposedly great folks on the right for not fixing this shit. Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want to?

[Cichy]

Yeah man I totes called for people to be hauled off to camps. If camps really set you off though maybe you should take a trip down to Texas and check out the camps the conservative administration is hauling people off to as we speak.

I get blasted on here for absolutism a lot but if this isn't the textbook definition of it then I'll be damned.

And what are dems doing about this? Where's the solution? Are you hosting a family from Venezuela in your house?
Right now all the dems are doing is saying the republican solutions are bad and have no solution on their end.
Also the camps been originally set up under Obama who was also opposing illegal immigration

[Tymon]

And what are dems doing about this? Where's the solution? Are you hosting a family from Venezuela in your house?
Right now all the dems are doing is saying the republican solutions are bad and have no solution on their end.

They don't have one because they love plugging their ears on it just as much as the GOP does, the establishment does at least.

It's why I have no faith in the US government. That's probably where I break with 99% of BG (if you didn't think I already did lol) - I think the only solution is revolution. Sweeping change may be eventually achievable in the current system but not before our kids have all burned to death or drowned, so why wait?

[D44kpunk]

Right wing terrorists are literally killing their opposition on basically a weekly basis, hit me up when the Republican party addresses it - until then they're just as culpable. Keep going to bat for supremacists though, good resume material.

To be clear, this is what you said. You said alt right killings are happening weekly.

How many weeks are in a year where you're from?

You bitch about rhetoric while spreading your own. C'mon dude. I'm sure we agree on most things but saying conservatives should be in camps and all conservatives want to kill and put their opposition in camps is absolutely delusional.

[Cichy]

They don't have one because they love plugging their ears on it just as much as the GOP does, the establishment does at least.

I agree with you on that. The rhetoric that only conservatives use certain groups for their political gain is bullshit.
Cities like San Fransisco are overwhelmingly democrat and the problem with homeless is out of hand. Pelosi may say she's down with the struggle but she's worth over 200 mil and her husband is a real estate developer while people down the street live literally in shit.

[archibaldcrane]

Correct. I was specifically calling out him saying that right wing killings are happening weekly and implying it was only recently taking off when the numbers have remained largely the same since we started recording them

Yeah, it's more that the type and target of violence changes over the decades. When conservatives want to uphold segregation, right-wing killings look like lynching black people. When conservatives declare homosexuals are tearing the moral fabric of the country, right-wing killings look like gay-panic murders. When conservatives push conspiracy theories about Jews trying to engage in the great replacement of white people by supporting immigration, right-wing killings look like synagogue mass shootings.

One would hope that at some point conservative politics could figure out a way to appeal to the masses without demagoguing against a minority population, but alas.

[Tymon]

To be clear, this is what you said. You said alt right killings are happening weekly.

How many weeks are in a year where you're from?

You bitch about rhetoric while spreading your own. C'mon dude. I'm sure we agree on most things but saying conservatives should be in camps and all conservatives want to kill and put their opposition in camps is absolutely delusional.

It's entirely separate from my point so if you really want me to back off of that one then sure, I overstated the number of people being literally killed by the alt right. Sorry it was only 50 people in 2018, literally every extremist killing that year instead of an average of 52 or whatever.

And once again I never called for anyone to be sent to a camp - the only ones doing that are the sizable faction on the right that nobody over there seems to get rid of. Point stands. If they want me to stop saying it then they can do something about it.

[D44kpunk]

Yeah, it's more that the type and target of violence changes over the decades. When conservatives want to uphold segregation, right-wing killings look like lynching black people. When conservatives declare homosexuals are tearing the moral fabric of the country, right-wing killings look like gay-panic murders. When conservatives push conspiracy theories about Jews trying to engage in the great replacement of white people by supporting immigration, right-wing killings look like synagogue mass shootings.

One would hope that at some point conservative politics could figure out a way to appeal to the masses without demagoguing against a minority population, but alas.

I don't disagree with what you're saying but it still doesn't support the statement that the right wing is killing their opposition weekly. Especially when it's implied that it's something new, and happening weekly.

It's also misleading because to me you're making it sound like they are getting away with it. There's no white conservative killer large that's picking off minorities every weekend in his spare time

[Salodin]

This is all fine and dandy, but the GOP platform still specifically sets out to make sure the LGBTQ community does not have the same rights as the rest of us. We still being cheeky and defending this, or we pretending that one internet guy calling for all Rs to be thrown in camps is as big a deal?

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[Salodin]

It's one hell of a scary scarecrow to talk about throwing Republicans in jail as a serious thing when Republicans are quite literally working to weaken or straight remove the rights of women and LGBTQ

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[Tymon]

I was actually pretty surprised to see the level of violence has been consistent. It actually makes me mad at the media because they're not doing a good job of reporting that this is a much longer standing problem. Honestly that makes it worse to me than if it was directly correlated with the rise of the alt right.

[Eurell]

Also the camps been originally set up under Obama who was also opposing illegal immigration

As a last resort. Not as step 1 for every single person that crosses the border. It's 100% dishonest (or uninformed) to even pretend the policies were similar.


The idea Dems have to change the current policy, is to go back to what we were doing 3 years ago. We can stop separating families now, then try to find better solutions later.

[Salodin]

And what are dems doing about this? Where's the solution? Are you hosting a family from Venezuela in your house?
Right now all the dems are doing is saying the republican solutions are bad and have no solution on their end.
Also the camps been originally set up under Obama who was also opposing illegal immigration

The dem solution was catch and release, the program that the GOP cried about for quite awhile. Now they're not catch and releasing, and suddenly dems did nothing about it? Lol

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