MAGA Teens: Schools Out 4EVAR

[Ksandra]

Not getting full blown into this conversation but you are 100% wrong on this. I have no skin in this game but c'mon you have to know better. If you don't, hey, keep doing you I guess.

It's all about perspective. We can either put the beating on the kid shoulders and let them believe if they weren't gay they wouldn't be beaten.

Or we can put it on the abuser's shoulders and say they are a fuckface and this is just an excuse for them to justify their fuckfaceness.

I am not going to entertain anything that is putting the blame on the kid, even if that blame wasn't a choice.


I mean, you all know that the mentally handicap also have a high chance of being both physically and sexually abused, right?. Do they get your (general you) special layer sticker, too? Or do we have to look at statistics to see if they deserve a pity card?

[Tyrath]

The fuck are you on about.

Them being beaten for being gay doesn't put it on their shoulder for being gay. It still puts it on the shoulder of the abuser for being homophobic.

[Ksandra]

The fuck are you on about.

Them being beaten for being gay doesn't put it on their shoulder for being gay. It still puts it on the shoulder of the abuser for being homophobic.

Tell that to the kid who hears it.

[Tyrath]

Tell that to the kid who hears it.

You can't change facts to try to soften the blow. OBVIOUSLY you don't tell the kid "it's because you're gay." You tell them it's because the abuser is a bigot. It in no way shifts the blame onto the kid.

[Ksandra]

You tell them it's because the abuser is a bigot.

But isn’t that the truth, too? Isn’t it the bigger truth? If a person is going to make a one sentence statement on the topic, isn’t this the more important one?

Don’t want to drop mid convo, but I’m off to work, so can’t respond until tonight.

[Salodin]

Just because the truth is the person is gay doesnt mean that's the reason why he got beat up. He got beat up because the guy is a bigot who preys on gay boys/men. Your job is to make sure the person knows theres nothing wrong with being gay, and the sole problem lies with the bigot. I really have no idea what your trying to illustrate here, this is pretty cut and dry.

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[Tyrath]

But isn’t that the truth, too? Isn’t it the bigger truth? If a person is going to make a one sentence statement on the topic, isn’t this the more important one?

Don’t want to drop mid convo, but I’m off to work, so can’t respond until tonight.

You yourself are invalidating that person by being unable to separate the fact that a homophobe abusing someone for being gay is not the same thing as it being that person's fault for being gay.

[Greatguardian]

Yo Ksandra's got you all here. Stop reacting and start reading. She rite, y'all.

You yourself are invalidating that person by being unable to separate the fact that a homophobe abusing someone for being gay is not the same thing as it being that person's fault for being gay.

Fam you makin' a lot of assumptions about what it means to be a homophobe. You think these folks just violently hate gays and are otherwise well adjusted humans? Nah, man. Nah. If they givin' you a beat down, they have a lot more problems. Homophobe, racist, sexist, child abuser, the labels you assign them are only a reflection of their victims - whoever happened to be the easiest target.

[Salodin]

Yo Ksandra's got you all here. Stop reacting and start reading. She rite, y'all.



Fam you makin' a lot of assumptions about what it means to be a homophobe. You think these folks just violently hate gays and are otherwise well adjusted humans? Nah, man. Nah. If they givin' you a beat down, they have a lot more problems. Homophobe, racist, sexist, child abuser, the labels you assign them are only a reflection of their victims - whoever happened to be the easiest target.

Okay that's great, how is that the gay kids fault? Bigots gonna bigot.

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[Salodin]

I really think ksan just forgot what it was she was arguing.

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[Dantrag]

It's all about perspective. We can either put the beating on the kid shoulders and let them believe if they weren't gay they wouldn't be beaten.

Or we can put it on the abuser's shoulders and say they are a fuckface and this is just an excuse for them to justify their fuckfaceness.

I am not going to entertain anything that is putting the blame on the kid, even if that blame wasn't a choice.


I mean, you all know that the mentally handicap also have a high chance of being both physically and sexually abused, right?. Do they get your (general you) special layer sticker, too? Or do we have to look at statistics to see if they deserve a pity card?

Did you just make the argument that she was raped because of how she was dressed?

[Salodin]

It's all about perspective!

AKA whataboutism.

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[Greatguardian]

Okay that's great, how is that the gay kids fault? Bigots gonna bigot.

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I really think ksan just forgot what it was she was arguing.

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Wat? Fam, you just ain't readin'. Ksandy's sittin' here sayin' precisely that it ain't the gay kid's fault he get beat.

Some folks here are sittin' and sayin' that a gay kid gettin' beat by an abuser who blames that beat down on their gayness internalizes the abuse and believes that their gayness is causing beatdowns, making gay abuse psychologically damaging.

Ksandy is just layin' some truth on y'all and pointin' out that all kids who get beat by an abuser will have that abuser blamin' that beat down on some quality of theirs, and those kids will then internalize that abuse and believe that some inherent quality of theirs is causing beatdowns. That's psychologically damaging, yo.

Beatdowns for being gay are not unique and their victims are not uniquely damaged. Abusers are predators that seek out the most vulnerable prey. This happens, more often than not, to be gay kids or trans kids or black kids or any other kid who ain't quite the same as the folks around them. Abuse rates are higher in the gay community. Abuse itself is not uniquely more damaging to gays because reasons. Ipso facto quod erat demonstrandum yo.

[Kalmado]

Wat? Fam, you just ain't readin'. Ksandy's sittin' here sayin' precisely that it ain't the gay kid's fault he get beat.

Some folks here are sittin' and sayin' that a gay kid gettin' beat by an abuser who blames that beat down on their gayness internalizes the abuse and believes that their gayness is causing beatdowns, making gay abuse psychologically damaging.

Ksandy is just layin' some truth on y'all and pointin' out that all kids who get beat by an abuser will have that abuser blamin' that beat down on some quality of theirs, and those kids will then internalize that abuse and believe that some inherent quality of theirs is causing beatdowns. That's psychologically damaging, yo.

Beatdowns for being gay are not unique and their victims are not uniquely damaged. Abusers are predators that seek out the most vulnerable prey. This happens, more often than not, to be gay kids or trans kids or black kids or any other kid who ain't quite the same as the folks around them. Abuse rates are higher in the gay community. Abuse itself is not uniquely more damaging to gays because reason. Ipso facto quod erat demonstrandum yo.

gdi the satire!

[kuronosan]

The stuff I know. Kids are not being beaten for being gay. They are beaten for power and that’s the excuse they are given. Every kid is given an excuse, but it has nothing to do with them. It’s the abuser being a fuckface, and they are going to be an abusive fuckface whether the kid is gay or not.

Look, I'm not getting into it with you over this last bit so I'll keep it brief:

Please shut up. Just. No more. If your mind isn't going to be changed, don't spout out dumb shit like this.

[Salodin]

I wasn’t talking about the amount of kids. I was talking about how a kid getting beat is emotionally scarred at the same level whether they are gay or straight. No kid is beaten because of a choice.

And I never said I knew what it was like to be gay, that was part of your rant assuming I thought that. You love to do that.

It depends why they're beaten. No straight kid is ever beaten for being straight. Now, queer children get made fun of all the time and if one were to catch a beatdown that was just a beatdown there's always the added layer of did I catch that beatdown because I'm gay/queer? So no, they're not the same level of emotional trauma.

Uh, no fam. This is what everyone was responding to. And it was called out immediately. Then ksan tried to pivot and say all child abuse is bad, like somehow that wasnt obvious? Like I said, I think she forgot what she was arguing cause no one disagrees with her that child abuse is never the child fault.

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[kuronosan]

ALL BEATINGS MATTER

[Salodin]

But please, do go on and inform me how gay adolescents are never beaten cause they're gay.

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[Greatguardian]

Uh, no fam. This is what everyone was responding to. And it was called out immediately. Then ksan tried to pivot and say all child abuse is bad, like somehow that wasnt obvious? Like I said, I think she forgot what she was arguing cause no one disagrees with her that child abuse is never the child fault.

Nah. Straight up, she's been 100% logically consistent this entire time and actually 100% right. Folks are just gettin' jumpy and defensive because what she's saying is unfamiliar and doesn't sound like it jives with the good vibes.

[Salodin]

Bruh, gay kids dont get beat up for being gay?

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