{Spoilers} Avengers: Endgame - 6Souls Spoils Everything For Everyone

[synistar]

I really want those end credit screens of the OG Avengers for computer wallpapers.

[Salodin]

I thought Captain Marvel would be in the movie more but this was definitely meant to be an ending for all the original Avengers. Cap and Hawkeye retire, Hulk is injured, Thor leaves, Widow and Tony die.

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Hulk might be fine, it was only gamma radiation

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[Omniyoji]

Was really hoping Hulk would get a rematch with Thanos, prob my only disappointment

Yes broven, was really hoping for that too.

[Kyte]

Hulk has pretty potent regenerative ability, so he'll be fine

[Corrderio]

So who was that guy Captain America gave his shield to?

[Tyrath]

So who was that guy Captain America gave his shield to?

Have you not seen Winter Soldier or Civil War?? Or even Infinity war lol

[Salodin]

So who was that guy Captain America gave his shield to?

Uhhhhhhhhhh

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[Salodin]

Falcon. He's a B tier hero who just got promoted.

Man, I'm sure you enjoyed the movie, but I cant imagine how much less I'd enjoy it without the build up all the other movies gave it.

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[synistar]

Dumb qestion since this was the 5th MCU movie I saw (Go ahead and shame me. I deserve it) but couldn't they use an Infinity Stone or all of them to save Tony?

He has about 7 more years of MCU movies to fill in a lot of gaps lol

[Appie]

Was really hoping Hulk would get a rematch with Thanos, prob my only disappointment

Same. Hulk with Banner brain vs Titan with brain would have been fun to watch.

[Gredival]

Someone told me that in Av2 when he almost moved it he wasn't able to because of all the baggage he was lugging around about Tony.

That's one explanation, the other is that Joss Whedon is just a fucking tease. Like we never got "Avengers, Assemble!"

[Corrderio]

Have you not seen Winter Soldier or Civil War?? Or even Infinity war lol

Nope, nope, and once last year

[Zealot]

And you've no familiarity with the comics? Interesting.

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[Corrderio]

I'vm honestly not a comic guy. What got me into MCU was GOTG

[Gredival]

The ancient one probably means removing the stones would destabilize the timeline, but aside from that new timelines are nbd.

No she explicitly says that removing the stones splinters the timeline and creates multiple dimensions/realities. But because of how time travel works, they can prevent that splintering by returning the stone to the timeline exactly when it gets taken. So basically that's why Bruce had to promise they would succeed, so they could bring the stones back.

The question is left open for how the timeline is affected if you take actions that materially affect the past, i.e. Loki escapes with the Tesseract. That's a huge point because Cap returns the Aether during the Dark World but that movie definitely doesn't happen the way we see it if Loki had escaped. And Thanos and his army being dead during Guardians 1 of course.

It's possible that multiverse theory is still true and that there are now three splintered timelines, but it isn't confirmed.

Dumb qestion since this was the 5th MCU movie I saw (Go ahead and shame me. I deserve it) but couldn't they use an Infinity Stone or all of them to save Tony?

I debated this with some friends. We see Thanos able to use the Time Stone to reverse the destruction of the Mind Stone and Vision in the end of Infinity War so it is clear that the stones can do that, but maybe the problem is that reversing the effects of Tony using the stone would also reverse Tony actually using the stone. Whenever we see the Time Stone used, it reverses entire chains of effect not just singular things (Dr. Strange in Hong Kong for example)

They could possibly use the six stones together to just revive him but it would require Hulk using his other hand, and he might not survive.

When they first showed his daughter, I was expecting them to go the 'choose between saving trillions or having your daughter' route and I'm so glad they did not.

Yeah the whole "We don't want to reverse five years, just bring them back" was a good touch

So how is 2019 Nebula alive if she killed 2014 Nebula? And the original snap still happened despite 2014 Thanos being dead.

I think you can "handwave" this away with their whole dismissal of time paradoxes when Rhodey and Scott are talking about movies with Bruce. Time paradoxes don't correct (i.e. Nebula Prime killing Nebula-14 doesn't erase herself) and memories don't get adjusted, but there are questions with how the timeline might have changed in spite of that.

Also I didn't see Agent Carter but it seems like the issue of her husband was kept ambiguous

There was that quote in the movies about how Steve saved Peggy's husband and was affecting her life even afterwards. We meet a guy that worked for/with Peggy that served in WW2 and basically lost a leg but was saved by Cap.

So yes technically ambiguous but a huge ass obvious retcon.

I really would've liked to see a brawl between her and a powered up Thanos just to see her go total batshit but that part was still cool.

Fat Thor was a joke for a while but ultimately an inventive way to balance the fight. Thor overpowered a Thanos with the Gauntlet (albeit with surprise) with Stormbreaker so he should have been able to end a Thanos that didn't have any stones. Scarlet Witch could also have solo'd Thanos so they had to do laser rain to disable her.

[Gredival]

And ya'll are taking the nerd debate too personally. Nobody in here saying it wasn't SSS+ spectacle that makes you forget you just lost three hours. Nobody in here saying it was a bad movie, I even said explicitly it's in my top 5 MCU.

This is probably the best time travel plot in a movie I've ever seen. But I hate time travel as a macguffin because it's too hard to do a story that doesn't have loopholes and this movie did not change that for me. As good as Endgame was there were still some giant loopholes.

Now granted if they wanted to, they didn't HAVE to have the Loki and the Cap loopholes since those weren't core problems. They could have written a script where Loki doesn't get the cube and where Cap doesn't potentially fuck the timeline. But the movie needs Thanos so the implications of 2014 Thanos are unavoidable (could be resolved with saying multi-verse, but is very much a sweeping under the rug move).

[Zealot]

Scarlet Witch vs. Thanos, Captain Marvel vs. Thanos, and Hammer Cap vs. Thanos all God tier scenes.

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[Gredival]

I'vm honestly not a comic guy. What got me into MCU was GOTG

A few years ago Marvel refreshed the Avengers. Where the DC universe basically retcon stuff to change some characters backgrounds, Marvel kept continuity and basically had a bunch of characters "succeed" previous ones. Basically superhero code names were treated as mantles to be passed on between generations.

Sam Wilson, the Falcon, is a former sidekick of Captain America who is chosen by Cap himself to succeed him. Iron Man's successor is a young black girl genius called Riri Williams, the Ironheart. Thor's successor is Jane Foster, his ex, who is played by Natalie Portman in the MCU. Carol Danvers (originally Ms. Marvel and/or Warbird) becomes Capt. Marvel by succeeding Mar-Vell, the original Captain Marvel. A young Pakistani inhuman Kamala Khan becomes the new Ms. Marvel. Hawkeye trains a young girl named Kate Bishop as the new Hawkeye.

This was partially in response to the good reception of Miles Morales, who is an alternate dimension Mexican black Spider-Man (see Into the Spiderverse for that)

The problem with the Affirmative Action Avengers though is that, while many of the characters and stories were great, the people who read Captain America were attached to the character of Steve Rogers. This became political because it was touted as proof that comic readers/Americans don't want diversity and that replacing white males as the focus of hero stories was bad.

[The Stig]

9 pages in and no one really enjoyed it when Steve, Tony, Banner and Antman went back in time? That bit was personally very fun for me :D

Seeing the "alternate" angles, felt like a behind the scenes thing. It was amazing. Cap vs Cap was funny too ("You gotta be shitting me..." "I've found Loki!" hahahaha ), especially when old Cap was way stronger (and here I thought current Cap would've gotten the experience needed). Current Hulk being embarassed over old Hulk, and those Hulk extra scenes! And Loki trolling. I love stuff like this.

Otherwise, things I didn't expect:

Thanos dying 30 mins in (I forget time)
Infact, the credits could've rolled here and it would've confused the fuck out of the viewers! Shame it didn't. Or some partial credits should've loaded
I never expected a time skip, and spent a lot of the time wondering "then who the heck is the villain?"

[Gredival]

Scarlet Witch vs. Thanos, Captain Marvel vs. Thanos, and Hammer Cap vs. Thanos all God tier scenes.

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Hammer Cap was amazing and it was so gratifying to finally see him shine. When the Holy Trinity of Cap, Thor, and Iron Man walk out to face Thanos you just feel like Cap has no chance of lasting for any substantive amount of time.

I think this really solidified for me that, Joss Whedon may be a fantastic director and a nerd, Cap is the one character he never really understood. From the campy ass original outfit for Cap in Avengers to the LANGUAGE! boy scout act in Ultron, he constantly whiffed on the character.