PC Principal VI: What The Fuck Am I Reading Part Deux

[Zealot]

America is the most homophobic and least progressive country in the world I thought

I find this is worth addressing because even though you obviously knew what a shitty point you were making here, it's inspired me to respond.

America holds itself up as an example to the rest of the world. We are constantly shoving down the throats of everyone else that our values are the correct ones that should be emulated for everyone to follow. America leading the way was practically our global slogan during the Cold War where we (falsely) broadcast our freedom and equality and opportunity as the antithesis of the horrors Communism wrought in Europe and China. Now, without having done much to earn it recently, most Americans still think of this as the best country in the world. A place that obviously more homophobic, less progressive countries like Brazil should learn something from.

There's this bizarre obsession in conservativism I've noticed with absolutes. I think that maybe explains why you're so fucking eager to throw in under an authoritarian dictator - you want absolute power, you want absolute authority, and you want absolute solutions. And if it's not a perfect solution, it's no solution at all. So that's, I believe, why I see this sentiment expressed so much. If we don't think America is the BEST country, we obviously think it's the WORST country. There's no sliding scale here. Jesus, as I'm typing the entire conservative resistance to transgendered people is making more and more sense. So if someone says, "women in America don't have it easy," don't you know how things are in Saudi Arabia?? "There's a disproportionate amount of wealth concentration in the United States." Oh what, you want we should be like Venezuela?? "Hey, a lot of mothers die in childbirth here." Oh, so you're saying - well, actually, we are the worst at that, there's not a worse example anywhere.

Yeah, Brazil sucks at gay rights and we're a shitload better at it than they are, but it actually STILL sucks to be LGBT most of the time in America. Uruguay, fabulously gay country, it's right in the name. Germany, finally found a good direction to put all that pride. Netherlands? Full of dykes. On the list of most LGBT-friendly nations on Earth, the USA ranks #23, not bad for a country where being gay was illegal until 17 years ago. But that's almost entirely due to the size and disparity between LGBT-friendly parts of the country and the sentiment toward them in the deep red parts, which, let's be honest, carries up all the way to the dark pinks. Those redder parts send a lot of people to Congress every year.

Anyway, wrapping this up, yeah, there are obviously worse nations than the United States for LGBT rights, but that doesn't mean we're not still bad. There are levels here. We're not gonna call any numbers too gay to put on a cake, but we're still gonna have people who own bakeries not want to make a cake for certain people in the first place.

[Day]

America #1, theres the door if you dont like it

[Anoat]

The door is now closed and locked because we were too busy being #1 in COVID as well

[Andalusian girls]

America is a chill place but there are a lot of chill places on the globe and it could be better

[Andalusian girls]

thank you for coming to my Tik Tok Talk

[Day]

you should write platitudes for pete bootyedge

[Andalusian girls]

we could do worse

[Andalusian girls]

(checks notes) we have in fact done worse

[Mythe_Seraph]

I find this is worth addressing because even though you obviously knew what a shitty point you were making here, it's inspired me to respond.

America holds itself up as an example to the rest of the world. We are constantly shoving down the throats of everyone else that our values are the correct ones that should be emulated for everyone to follow. America leading the way was practically our global slogan during the Cold War where we (falsely) broadcast our freedom and equality and opportunity as the antithesis of the horrors Communism wrought in Europe and China. Now, without having done much to earn it recently, most Americans still think of this as the best country in the world. A place that obviously more homophobic, less progressive countries like Brazil should learn something from.

There's this bizarre obsession in conservativism I've noticed with absolutes. I think that maybe explains why you're so fucking eager to throw in under an authoritarian dictator - you want absolute power, you want absolute authority, and you want absolute solutions. And if it's not a perfect solution, it's no solution at all. So that's, I believe, why I see this sentiment expressed so much. If we don't think America is the BEST country, we obviously think it's the WORST country. There's no sliding scale here. Jesus, as I'm typing the entire conservative resistance to transgendered people is making more and more sense. So if someone says, "women in America don't have it easy," don't you know how things are in Saudi Arabia?? "There's a disproportionate amount of wealth concentration in the United States." Oh what, you want we should be like Venezuela?? "Hey, a lot of mothers die in childbirth here." Oh, so you're saying - well, actually, we are the worst at that, there's not a worse example anywhere.

Yeah, Brazil sucks at gay rights and we're a shitload better at it than they are, but it actually STILL sucks to be LGBT most of the time in America. Uruguay, fabulously gay country, it's right in the name. Germany, finally found a good direction to put all that pride. Netherlands? Full of dykes. On the list of most LGBT-friendly nations on Earth, the USA ranks #23, not bad for a country where being gay was illegal until 17 years ago. But that's almost entirely due to the size and disparity between LGBT-friendly parts of the country and the sentiment toward them in the deep red parts, which, let's be honest, carries up all the way to the dark pinks. Those redder parts send a lot of people to Congress every year.

Anyway, wrapping this up, yeah, there are obviously worse nations than the United States for LGBT rights, but that doesn't mean we're not still bad. There are levels here. We're not gonna call any numbers too gay to put on a cake, but we're still gonna have people who own bakeries not want to make a cake for certain people in the first place.

Good words. Lots of words. The best words. Tons of speculation and assumption.

I’m right leaning but not a trump fan. I didn’t vote for him and i won’t vote for him. So you can stop categorizing me moving forward. The comment refers back to an argument this board had regarding America’s place on a political spectrum relative to the rest of the world. And we had some diehards on here saying America is the worst of the worst.

[Zealot]

Good words. Lots of words. The best words. Tons of speculation and assumption.

I’m right leaning but not a trump fan. I didn’t vote for him and i won’t vote for him. So you can stop categorizing me moving forward. The comment refers back to an argument this board had regarding America’s place on a political spectrum relative to the rest of the world. And we had some diehards on here saying America is the worst of the worst.

Another trait of the right is assuming even broad statements are a personal attack against them.

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[Mythe_Seraph]

I think that maybe explains why you're so fucking eager to throw in under an authoritarian dictator - you want absolute power, you want absolute authority, and you want absolute solutions.

Oh forgive me for thinking you were talking to me after quoting me

[Tyrath]

I mean if you read the post it was clear he was taking your comment as a starting point for a broader discussion.

Edit: Sorry I forgot to quote you to make it clear I was speaking to you

Oh forgive me for thinking you were talking to me after quoting me

[Mythe_Seraph]

Rofl. You guys are some petty fucks you know that?

[Zealot]

I mean I really wasn't speaking to you directly and your response was to mock the post but ok yes we are highly petty.

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[Melena]

Rofl. You guys are some petty fucks you know that?

Pot, meet kettle.

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[Mythe_Seraph]

I wasn’t speaking to either of you.

Spoiler: show

Not trying to intentionally further the pettiness but I mean come on. See how easy this is?

[Milkster]

I wasn’t speaking to either of you.

Spoiler: show

Not trying to intentionally further the pettiness but I mean come on. See how easy this is?

Wow you're dumb. He clearly calls out America and Conservativism in that post. Didnt realize you were the only entity in those groups and thus took it personally.

He literally used your post as a jumping board because of the topic at hand. You know in school how the teacher will ask a question, use the answers or non-answers to get into a broader theme or discussion or did you take all of that personally as well?

[Karbuncle]

He definitely types like he was talking directly to Mythe still in several areas, and doesn't clarify he's going on a broader tangent when he brings up conservatives. To specify if someone quoted me and said this among their post ->

There's this bizarre obsession in conservativism I've noticed with absolutes. I think that maybe explains why you're so fucking eager to throw in under an authoritarian dictator - you want absolute power, you want absolute authority, and you want absolute solutions.

I'd think they were talking to me too. Now, because I know from experience, I can believe that he did not in fact intend it to be direct statements, I've made posts in the past where I quote someone and make a broader point based on their starting point. This is why when I put "you" in those posts I almost always include in parenthesis "(You in "broad" terms, not you "specifically)", to clarify I don't mean them personally. Or I'll use words like they, or start by saying my target group, which he did by mentioning Conservatism, but then follows it up with you's when i think "Theys" would have made it clear it was a broader term not specifically Myth.

Either way, I'm not saying it was a direct attack because while I usually clarify my "you/you'res", I respect not everyone is that careful with words, I can see how it can be interpreted as such.

The post had some good talking points btw, good advice for everyone, now I'd say lets not pretend conservatives are the only ones who use absolutes and want absolute power, they just want it all for different reasons... but thats another topic I suppose? Though honestly we've probably had that discussion here somewhere...

[NynJa]

He shoulda said “you people”

[Mythe_Seraph]

The entire first paragraph is directed at me without question. There’s no way it can be made to a general or broad audience it directly responds to what was quoted. I can see the rest being open to interpretation but being called dumb for it is hilarious.