PC Principal VI: What The Fuck Am I Reading Part Deux

[Ksandra]

Winning because you were given a huge handicap isn't exactly winning, I literally cannot imagine in what world you see this kind of thing as some kind of net win for these kinds of movies.

Like, fuck i'd be pissed if I was an Actor or Director and found out the only reason I won was because my movie met an arbitrary percentage based diversity quota. it'd be sending a message that my movie wasn't good enough to win without a handicap, my award would feel meaningless and insulting to the hard work put in it. Its not just pandering, its empty pandering, this will have no positive effect on these movies and instead just draw negative attention and stigma around them as "Not good enough to stand on their own".

I guess I'm just not woke enough to consider LGBT/Minorities driven movies to so much inferior to Whites that they couldn't win Best Picture over something like fucking Paul Blart Mall Cop.

Edit: And since I know this is the level of stupid we're probably driving too - Woman led, Black led, Homosexual led, I don't legitimately give a fuck whos in your movie, whos the lead, whos the ensemble, nothing. A good movie is a good movie and a shit one is a shit one. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch Beverly Hills Cop again to renew my woke cred. Fuck man I love me some Eddie Murphy.

Edit2: Side note: If your argument is that limiting best picture to these criteria will lead more directors/etc to make movies that fit that criteria in order to somehow artificially inflate the diversity representation in movies? Until China gives a shit I don't see this doing a darn thing. But I'd absolutely understand (as naive as it is) if you were arguing this. So, if thats your stance, feel free to just move on with your life because I have no argument for you. <3

This is really about the academy trying to be more diverse, not the films. You are right that no director is going to change because of this.

Also, no director who would be pissed at getting the award will actually get an award. It’s no small secret they blacklist people who badmouth them. Fucking DiCaprio mocked them when he was like twenty and had to pay the price for decades.

[Vaspinne]

Edit2: Side note: If your argument is that limiting best picture to these criteria will lead more directors/etc to make movies that fit that criteria in order to somehow artificially inflate the diversity representation in movies? Until China gives a shit I don't see this doing a darn thing. But I'd absolutely understand (as naive as it is) if you were arguing this. So, if thats your stance, feel free to just move on with your life because I have no argument for you. <3

This is absolutely not my stance lol. The movies that China deems acceptable will never be nominated for an Oscar anyway. My above post should explain

[Vaspinne]

The entire intent of what the Academy is doing with this big change is purely because they are woke and have had the reputation of only letting white people constantly win. And now they want to look more progressive. That's it lol

[Karbuncle]

Also, no director who would be pissed at getting the award will actually get an award. It’s no small secret they blacklist people who badmouth them. Fucking DiCaprio mocked them when he was like twenty and had to pay the price for decades.

Ya know, ya got me there. Them fuckers definitely Black-listed lol

The entire intent of what the Academy is doing with this big change is purely because they are woke and have had the reputation of only letting white people constantly win. And now they want to look more progressive. That's it lol

True, true. Don't they hold all the cards here though? Couldn't they just vote these movies in without a top-down enforcement of it? IDK guess it just seems like if they were practicing what they preached they wouldn't need to be forced to practice what they preach.

[Vaspinne]

True, true. Don't they hold all the cards here though? Couldn't they just vote these movies in without a top-down enforcement of it? IDK guess it just seems like if they were practicing what they preached they wouldn't need to be forced to practice what they preach.

Yeah but this is Hollywood and it's full of vain motherfuckers who want everyone to know how awesome everything they do is

Edit: Kind of mis-read what you wrote. I guess a more accurate thing to say is that; even though the industry is infamous for being extremely liberal and progressive and etc etc, that's all mostly bullshit and the industry isn't actually close to being that forward thinking in reality

Edit2: Take Marvel for example. Tons of money, tons of success, and literally all but 2 of their movies has a strong white doode as the main protagonist who saves the day. Black Panther and Captain Marvel are the only exceptions. And Black Widow was supposed to be one too but that got delayed to oblivion. And it literally took 10 years of her being part of the Marvel franchise before she actually got her own movie.

I mean, the fact that they're even making those movies and emboldening this new stance of diversity and female empowerment is great, don't get me wrong. But they weren't made because Disney wanted to break the mold, they just found out that diversity could actually be profitable

[Psion]

in an ideal wold i'd agree to just let art be art, but this is clearly a fucked up world ruled by Ascian/lizard people overlords, so we're stuck with the tyranny route of having to force diversity. it's not pretty, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, i agree, but it's not for us - it's for the future generations. remember, it's the wee ones that are going to grow up watching the black panther and seeing him as a SUPERBADASS HERO OMG I WANNA BE JUST LIKE HIM just like we felt with superman and spiderman and batman. by forcing diversity in art, we develop diversity in our culture for future generations, and leave it a better place - and gods forbid, maybe future congresspeople might actually make halfway human and reasonable policies that benefit the earth and people other than themselves.

[Vaspinne]

100% agree Psion

Since the creation of moving picture films to as late as the early 2000's, the film industry has been dominated by white folks (and it still pretty much is). And that isn't going to naturally change on its own without some forced "politically correct" excessive'ness. It seems over the top now but it's all about planting seeds that'll grow in the future

[Vaspinne]

Sorry, I promise this will be my last post on this topic for the foreseeable future, but here's a twitter thread going over how minimal these new requirements really are

https://twitter.com/kylebuchanan/sta...93197767651330

[Salodin]

A whole lotta yall give your racism away when you assume the best actor/actress wouldn't be the poc that auditioned over the white person

Nevermind they only need 2 of 4, and it doesnt have to be the main star, it can also be supporting cast.

Would yall be flipping out if it said "up to 70% of your ensemble cast can be white men" "you need at least one poc in a lead/supporting role" "the plot cant be about white people problems alone" cause thats what it says lol

Itd be pretty hard to not hit 2 of 4 considering some of the most popular movies over the past few years.

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[Vandalhart]

So, I've never really understood the concept of needing to see someone "like me" in a film. A film/tv show was always not reality, and anything presented to me in those things didn't guide me towards higher self esteem or self worth. In the end, they're actors/actresses playing characters, I always knew that, I never thought the characters were real.

To each their own, if some people need that, fine. I haven't consumed anything outside of an 2D/3D animated film since my kiddo was born so I'm not their target audience anyways.

There are so many things we can have in common with people, why are we trying to endlessly divide people into sub group after sub group. I'm nearing 40, and I'm still developing my opinions and learning about myself so forcing people into any group without room to grow or change doesn't seem like a good idea.

The way I see it, is that my identity is "me", and all of the attributes that make "me" up are just that, attributes. They don't define me. I dunno, I'm still working this stuff out in my head.

[Salodin]

So, I've never really understood the concept of needing to see someone "like me" in a film. A film/tv show was always not reality, and anything presented to me in those things didn't guide me towards higher self esteem or self worth. In the end, they're actors/actresses playing characters, I always knew that, I never thought the characters were real.

To each their own, if some people need that, fine. I haven't consumed anything outside of an 2D/3D animated film since my kiddo was born so I'm not their target audience anyways.

There are so many things we can have in common with people, why are we trying to endlessly divide people into sub group after sub group. I'm nearing 40, and I'm still developing my opinions and learning about myself so forcing people into any group without room to grow or change doesn't seem like a good idea.

The way I see it, is that my identity is "me", and all of the attributes that make "me" up are just that, attributes. They don't define me. I dunno, I'm still working this stuff out in my head.

Honest question, are you white?

Cause if you're white, then of course you never felt that way cause so many of the biggest and best movies were made with people who already looked like you lol.

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[Salodin]

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...123495425?s=19

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[Milkster]

So, I've never really understood the concept of needing to see someone "like me" in a film. A film/tv show was always not reality, and anything presented to me in those things didn't guide me towards higher self esteem or self worth. In the end, they're actors/actresses playing characters, I always knew that, I never thought the characters were real.

To each their own, if some people need that, fine. I haven't consumed anything outside of an 2D/3D animated film since my kiddo was born so I'm not their target audience anyways.

There are so many things we can have in common with people, why are we trying to endlessly divide people into sub group after sub group. I'm nearing 40, and I'm still developing my opinions and learning about myself so forcing people into any group without room to grow or change doesn't seem like a good idea.

The way I see it, is that my identity is "me", and all of the attributes that make "me" up are just that, attributes. They don't define me. I dunno, I'm still working this stuff out in my head.

I'm assuming you're white or have skin that can pass for white. When all you grow up is seeing people who look like cast as stereotypes and shitty characters you 1) start to think is that what I'm only good for 2) the world starts to see you like that. There's a reason Fox News only has certain black folks on that shuck and jive for them or the crazy liberals/leftist. You easily start to engrain that into peoples subconscious that this is what those people are like and to fear them.

It's awesome to see more than just the white dude deus ex machina his way to saving the world all the time or being the sought after character and everyone takes a back seat to them. Ir having characters who are clearly non-white be cast as white people. Basically saying we can take from you but we won't acknowledge you as being good enough to play in your own media (Ghost in the shell)

[Dimmauk]

psion is on shrooms again

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1303494579761459200
somehow not satire, smh

Its sad they even have to make guidelines in the first place.

[Dimmauk]

I can't wait!

https://twitter.com/thatgrapejuice/s...806036480?s=20

[kuronosan]

I don't get it. Why not just make a new show altogether? Why remake it at all?

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[Dimmauk]

I don't get it. Why not just make a new show altogether? Why remake it at all?

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Then people would complain it was too much like Golden Girls and they stole the idea.

[Vandalhart]

Apparently Golden Girls has been raking in the views on streaming platforms so they likely saw $$$$.

[Tomiko]

I can't wait!

https://twitter.com/thatgrapejuice/s...806036480?s=20

This is sexist, they should have made them black men!

Kidding aside, I'm on board for a Grumpy Old Men remake with POC leads.

[archibaldcrane]

Basically those requirements will make every production/distribution company create a couple internship slots for women/PoC (if they don't already) and movies that are about white dudes will make sure they check the crew diversity boxes - the most cynical way of doing so is simply having a female hairstylist and makeup artist.