PC Principal VI: What The Fuck Am I Reading Part Deux

[archibaldcrane]

These people aren’t making a difference regardless of how dangerous their accused views may be.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-de...ry?id=62685051

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pi...ter/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...fda_story.html

[Mythe_Seraph]

By all means continue to let CNN, ABC and the Washington post tell you what’s really going on in America.

You live in a country of 350 million people. This is not a behavior that’s sweeping the nation. Nobody is voting people like this into office. Is it unfavorable? Yes. Is throwing milkshakes at people solving a problem? No. If you support people throwing milk shakes at people you’re a moron, that’s the take.

[arus2001]

What's always seemed exaggerated was the claims of ANTIFA terrorism. Not to go all "both sides" with this shit, but we also need to be mindful the representatives one side willfully picks that demonstrates the old deplorable behaviors, to simplify descriptors. To that end, I wouldn't exactly call it a small number of people out of that 350m. Some may be too chickenshit to join in these protests. Others may not have the means to get to them. Nonetheless, voting anonymity has empowered them in other ways. But yeah, get back to me when the left is running people over, bombing places, performing mass shootings, or even taking over government property. Some signs, yelling, and milkshakes are pretty tame in comparison.

And yeah, I've seen nothing to confirm the liquid cement shake scare was real, either.

[Karbuncle]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-de...ry?id=62685051

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pi...ter/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...fda_story.html

I understand the points you're attempting to make here, (correct me if I'm wrong) it being that these opinions can lead to violence if the individual is radicalized, but this doesn't feel like its very convincing even though I agree violence through radicalization can come from any side. If all we need is a few cases of radicalized people to support completely banning and silencing everyone related to them then boy do I got a few hundred Islamic inspired terrorist attacks to copy and paste here I guess to support why we need strong borders and immediate repatriation for refugees when their country is deemed safe */s*.

As for your march question, its honestly better let them just do it and be ignored. By silencing them you're giving them reason to feel oppressed and backed into a corner, by acknowledging they're enough of a threat to warrant silencing you're validating their views and opinions as something WORTH fearing. I can't tell you I have a "Fix all solution", because we live in an imperfect world, and thats just life. censorship is rarely, if ever, the answer. You

"Do nothing" isn't a great answer, and I can't tell you I have a great answer cause I don't, imperfect solutions for an imperfect world.

And yeah, I've seen nothing to confirm the liquid cement shake scare was real, either.

I can find the original claim but no evidence has come forth confirming it. Probably wasn't real.

[archibaldcrane]

By all means continue to let CNN, ABC and the Washington post tell you what’s really going on in America.

uh

ok I will

super weird attacking the messenger here, do you dispute literally a single thing reported in any of those articles?

[Mythe_Seraph]

I’m not attacking you I’m suggesting that you indulge in major media outlets that exaggerate material to blow them completely out of proportion. You’re focused on what they’re focused on. And as I’ve stated before these people you seem to be afraid of and are so worried about reducing are such a minor threat it’s silly to act as a preemptive measure to their violence through provocation.

Karbuncles post above does a pretty good job of articulating why the general take on this situation is not based in logic.

[D44kpunk]

why is archi always able to do whataboutisms when everyone else gets called out for it? there was discussion about all of those incidents when they came up. why are you shifting lol..

dont vote warren 2020, stop archi's whataboutism

[Eurell]

I’m not attacking you I’m suggesting that you indulge in major media outlets that exaggerate material to blow them completely out of proportion. You’re focused on what they’re focused on. And as I’ve stated before these people you seem to be afraid of and are so worried about reducing are such a minor threat it’s silly to act as a preemptive measure to their violence through provocation.

Karbuncles post above does a pretty good job of articulating why the general take on this situation is not based in logic.

He didn't say you was attacking him. He said you were attacking the messenger (CNN etc) instead of saying literally anything at all about the information they provided.

[archibaldcrane]

why is archi always able to do whataboutisms when everyone else gets called out for it? there was discussion about all of those incidents when they came up. why are you shifting lol..

dont vote warren 2020, stop archi's whataboutism

If you aren't going to get out, at least get off my nuts

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[Mythe_Seraph]

To that end, I wouldn't exactly call it a small number of people out of that 350m. Some may be too chickenshit to join in these protests.

And yeah, I've seen nothing to confirm the liquid cement shake scare was real, either.

This is mindful. I think we’re saying a similar thing but talking past one another here. I’m saying the actual physical individuals out there doing these protests is small (from either “side”). The people acting violently are even fewer.

The problem is with people condoning these actions and cheering them on as if they’re acting in the morale way (either side). Being right and cheering on the proud boys isn’t in your best interest. Being left and cheering on antifa isn’t in your best interest. Neither of these radical groups directly align with or represent a vast majority of their “assigned parties” viewpoints.

This is where the understanding of the insignificance of the opposing group is critical. Don’t be influenced to think this is an absolute epidemic. Move on. It’s a fucking car crash. Keep driving or cause another accident.

If you think citing three left leaning articles is means for supporting one group of people to act violently towards another during a gathering or protest then you’re so far off base you’ve left the confines of logic and are acting purely out of influence and emotion. Karbuncle gave a great example of why this isn’t the logical path one can take.

[archibaldcrane]

Left leaning articles?

What are you even talking about?

People were murdered. Who gives a shit about the news source? You continue to play up how bad milkshake throwing is and downplay nazi murders, it's a really bad look.

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[Greatguardian]

How have y'all not called out the obvious false equivalency in this whole fuckin' MLK mess.

The precipitation of violence King wrote of in the letter from Birmingham jail was not that of black on white violence or violence perpetrated by civil rights protestors. He was specifically referring to peaceful, lawful actions which inspired others to commit violence against him and others like him.

This was not a support or validation of violence as a mechanism of change. It was an understanding that there are people in the world who will try to use violence against you to prevent you from standing up for what you believe in and a condemnation of the idea that avoiding all violence, even that which is unreasonably perpetrated against lawful protestors, is paramount.

[Mythe_Seraph]

We already responded to Milkster saying his interpretation of MLK and his use of an MLK quote to defend himself makes absolutely no sense. Milkster interprets the world around him in any way he needs to best justify his individual decisions on any specific topic at that moment which always exists in a vacuum in his mind.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Left leaning articles?

What are you even talking about?

People were murdered. Who gives a shit about the news source? You continue to play up how bad milkshake throwing is and downplay nazi murders, it's a really bad look.

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I’m not downplaying murders because I’m not arguing about that behavior. Clearly that’s outrageous. Nobody is in here supporting that. This started with Milkster saying so what if people are throwing cement milkshakes at people (which it appears is false, it’s just milkshakes). My stance is pretty clearly laid out I really don’t know what else I can say about it at this point. This is the exact type of attitude o would expect considering I haven’t gone out of my way to villify a specific party and condone the actions of another. I’m exactly against that because the actions of both fringe groups is deplorable, regardless of degree of actions. It’s possible to find both groups distasteful. You don’t have to create a ranking of which one is worse. You don’t have to support one because the other is fighting against the worse one.

Also the term nazi is getting thrown around pretty flippantly regarding this entire situation in description of basically anyone on the right. So you’ve got some clear nazi-like behavior and maybe even self declared nazi individuals (I don’t even know if this is true honestly but let’s just say it is). That doesn’t mean every single person on the same political party side is also a nazi. That’s another point of contention here. There’s so much labeling going on it dehumanize and discredit people’s views all in order to justify acting violently towards them maybe in situations where they’re not even being violent. The exaaact same scenario applies to people on the opposing party, so chill before you label me a sympathizer because I’m not.

[Milkster]

How have y'all not called out the obvious false equivalency in this whole fuckin' MLK mess.

The precipitation of violence King wrote of in the letter from Birmingham jail was not that of black on white violence or violence perpetrated by civil rights protestors. He was specifically referring to peaceful, lawful actions which inspired others to commit violence against him and others like him.

This was not a support or validation of violence as a mechanism of change. It was an understanding that there are people in the world who will try to use violence against you to prevent you from standing up for what you believe in and a condemnation of the idea that avoiding all violence, even that which is unreasonably perpetrated against lawful protestors, is paramount.

Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity.

A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.'

The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulation.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/features/king-challenge

https://www.history.com/news/for-mar...t-wait-and-see

https://timeline.com/by-the-end-of-h...e-4de177a8c87b

[archibaldcrane]

@mythe

Look, if you see people marching chanting "Jews will not replace us" and you think "ah, Republicans!" I'm not going to argue with you too hard but it seems pretty silly to frame this as being about the right-wing major party in our system.

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[Gredival]

Another study proving trigger warnings are generally useless or harmful at the worst

https://slate.com/technology/2019/07...ight-hurt.html

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[Fiye]

Nah actual mental health treatment is too expensive best to just slap a trigger warning and let people decide if they want to subject themselves to it or not while they spend millions upgrading facilities.

Next you'll tell me the Chris Kyle method of addressing mental health issues is the big ticket item.

[Fondue]

Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity.

A profound judgment of today's riots was expressed by Victor Hugo a century ago. He said, 'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.'

The policymakers of the white society have caused the darkness; they create discrimination; they structured slums; and they perpetuate unemployment, ignorance and poverty. It is incontestable and deplorable that Negroes have committed crimes; but they are derivative crimes. They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulation.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/features/king-challenge

https://www.history.com/news/for-mar...t-wait-and-see

https://timeline.com/by-the-end-of-h...e-4de177a8c87b

I'd chalk this up to "its fun to do hood rat things" before "intending to shock the white community" but I'm sure MLK had a crystal ball and this is exactly what he meant sweaty

[Milkster]

I'd chalk this up to "its fun to do hood rat things" before "intending to shock the white community" but I'm sure MLK had a crystal ball and this is exactly what he meant sweaty

Your thought process is trash.

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/galler...gallery-040212

Someone needs to go into those communities and figure out how people can grow up and do such things.