Genshin Impact (PC/PS5/PS4/NSW/iOS) - Open-World Action RPG - 2020

[Obsidian]

I wonder if full Ocean Conqueror or a 2 piece combo with Gladiator is better for Childe... that 4 pc effect seems tailor-made for him. but it doesn't effect riptide or ult damage so IDK

edit: apparently "Matching failed: cannot enter coop session" potentially translates to "if you check the coop menu you'll find that you cannot currently enter coop due to an active quest." just so nobody else wastes the fucking time I just did

I believe 4 piece hydro is the best for a main DPS Childe. I think 2 piece hydro 2 piece Noblesse is still marginally better for the one-shot nuke build.

[Obsidian]

You jerks need to go back to saying how much you spent on pulls. I have no context here!

I'm about $350 CAD in between battle passes, Welkin Moons, and buying gems to get C1 Zhongli (took me 4 pity breaks, but I got C1 Mona and Keqing out of it). I've now got every 5* except Klee (didn't pull) and Albedo, as well as C5 Diona (fuck me why couldn't I get any Ningguangs), C4 Fischl, C2 Sucrose, C1 Bennett, C1 Ningguang, C6 Chonyung/Razor, and C5 Xianyin. This account started with Mona and Venti (took me 38 rerolls to get them both, and the 38th was the first time I even saw Venti at all). I've got plenty to work with now so I doubt I'll be buying more primogems any time soon outside of the Blessing and battle pass. Lots of time to save for Ayaka.

[theshun]

I'm $120 USD and have C6 Fischl, C3 Chong, Diluc, C1 Venti, and most other characters at C1 or less.

[Kaslo]

Part of me wants to whale for Albedo. That Geo field just looks (and feels) insane. But I know I shouldn't.

My only real decision now is whether to pull for Xiao or Ayaka. Think Aya because I don't have a good ice (or sword) user.

[Ayn]

$60ish? 10 on 2 moon passes
Someone gifted me $50 on the PSN store cause they were rooting for me to get Zhongli.

Only 5's I have are C1 Jean and Zhongli.

Outside of that:
C5 Razor
C3 Fischl
C2 Sucrose
C1 Diona
C1 Xiangling
C2 Ning
C2 Amber
Xingqiu
Chongyun

Kinda want Albedo, but hesitant to drop more money.

Been actually paring down my gacha, but I act6play Genshin.

[octopus]

$80 - 2x daily gem + 2x gnostic hymn + $50 crystals

C1 Mona
C2 Fischl
C1 Xiangling
C2 Diona
C1 Ningguang
C2 Beidou
C2 Bennett
C2 Sucrose
C2 Xinyan
C0 Zhongli
C2 Chongyun
C2 Razor

[Lucavi]

Thank you. See, 60-80 on a single game? That's nothing if you've had a great time with it.

[Lokus]

Think I "whaled" the most from here at like $350. Bought all 3 battle passes, 2 Welkins, and spent the rest on pulls to c6 Ningguang and c2 Zhongli. Missing Klee (skipped), Jean, Qiqi, and Keqing still, got everyone released so far. Lucked out and got two 5 star weapons as well.

Got c6: Ningguang, Beidou, Sucrose, Fischl, Razor, Chongyung,

C4: Bennett, Xingqui, Barbara

C3: Xinyan

C2: Zhongli, Diluc, Xiangling, Noelle

Xiao and Hu Tao are next and if leaks are correct, Inazuma isn't until 1.6 so Ayaka might still be a long ways off.

[Ayn]

Decided to buy the $50 gem package after this thread, because I still had bonus gems from it.

I was close to pity.

Got C1 Bennet.

But pity was Mona, not Albedo. Got a Xinqiu C1, Diona C2, and Sucrose to C5 on the way soo...2 characters I don’t use, but one I might (Mona) since I was lacking a solid water person.

More stoked about C1 Benny and Diona C2.

Kinda bummed I didn’t snag a Diluc but..I think I can lay off. My team is useable. I like most of the characters I have (Razor and Jean are a ton of fun).

[BerenTebogo]

Annoyed with abyss and rage pulled all my primos on normal banner for norma or jean/kek dupes and ended up with a bow.

This is truly one of the worst gacha systems I’ve ever played.

[Kachiko]

If you don't have Venti, don't sleep on Sucrose. Definitely get her to C6 if/when she shows up in the shop. Even if you have Venti, she still gathers and debuffs hard, but with longer cool-downs. I've seen Bennett, Mona, Sucrose wombo-combos that break the game to pieces.

[Ayn]

Oh yeah? No Venti, so I may consider.

Figure most characters at c6 are good.

[Tomiko]

So I was curious and looked. I'm at the $1000-1100 range (can't remember if I bought anything else on PSN in the time frame, but I don't think so). I'm also on PS, so this is with no account reroll:

Spoiler: show

Albedo C0
Klee C0
Mona C0
Qiqi C1
Tartaglia C1
Traveler C6
Venti C3
Zhongli C0

Wolf's Gravestone R2
Skyward Harp R1

Amber C2
Barbara C6+
Beidou C4
Bennett C1
Chongyun C3
Diona C3
Fischl C6+
Kaeya C0
Lisa C2
Ningguang C4
Noelle C6
Razor C4
Sucrose C6+
Xiangling C5
Xingqiu C4
Xinyan C1

Don't have:
Diluc
Jean
Keqing

The only 5* I actively tried for were Klee and Skyward Harp (2nd time it was featured). Every other 5* was either from trying to pull for someone/something else.

I didn't realize how lucky I was with Venti until long after his banner was gone. For example, I pulled him 2x in one 10x pull. I just wanted Fischl constellations.

I've had C6 Fischl and Sucrose since first banner, but never had a reason to level Sucrose because of Venti.

Zhongli came on pull 28 into the banner because I thought I would be safe from him and wanted C4 Razor (I was at C3). I did get my Razor finally 1-2 pulls after Zhongli.

Childe came from wanting Ningguang constellations. Obviously that didn't happen.

Albedo from wanting Bennet constellations since I already had C6 Fischl and Sucrose. I was hoping to get Keqing for my 5*. Of course I never pulled Bennett. On the plus side, I've been very happy with Albedo now that I understand more how he works.

I leveled Razor because I pulled Wolf's Gravestone, I had no interest in either until I got it. Can't remember if I got the first one from the weapon banner or the standard banner as I got one from each. I wasn't trying to pull for it though.

[Obsidian]

Annoyed with abyss and rage pulled all my primos on normal banner for norma or jean/kek dupes and ended up with a bow.

This is truly one of the worst gacha systems I’ve ever played.

You should never ever spend primogems on the Standard banner. If you want a non-focus 5* you're better off pulling on the Character banner and hoping you get 50/50'd.

[Kaslo]

Jesus Char

[BerenTebogo]

You should never ever spend primogems on the Standard banner. If you want a non-focus 5* you're better off pulling on the Character banner and hoping you get 50/50'd.

I’m pretty much at pity on the char banner and sitting on it until Xiao. I just wanted to dump my primos and do SOMETHING. So fucking bored right now but I keep trying to find things to do.

[Kachiko]

You should never ever spend primogems on the Standard banner. If you want a non-focus 5* you're better off pulling on the Character banner and hoping you get 50/50'd.

Not true, actually: https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Imp...efore_getting/

Spoiler: show

BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT CHASE SPECIFIC CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT BEING BOOSTED IN A BANNER. WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE BOOSTED.

Update: This is a re-upload of my last post. There's been some significant revelations in my the previous thread from correcting poorly translated details and Mihoyo's chinese publication.



Explanation:

These numbers are the average amount of rolls it would take to get specific characters (starting from pity 0). These are based on simulated pulls and math - not the advertised 'adjusted' 1.6% drop rates for 5* character's since that is very likely false. Keep in mind rolling 697 times for Diluc doesn't mean you just got a Diluc or you're guaranteed to have Diluc, you would have several other 5* characters and weapons by the time you got that many rolls. It just means there's an average of 697 rolls between each Diluc win on that banner, taken over an extremely large sample size.



Math:

I simulated 100,000,000 rolls in VBA and found an average of 1.435% for 5* drops including the guarantee, and 11.83% for 4* including the guarantee. This is lower than their advertised 1.6% for 5*s and 13% for 4* average rates. Similar threads exist going into this in detail already, but here is my code. So with the new average percentage, we can calculate:

100% / 1.435% = 69.68 Average rolls needed for each 5*

100% / 11.83% = 8.45 Average rolls needed for each 4*

Now we can calculate how many rolls needed for a specific 5*, for example to get a specific 5* from the Wanderlust banner you'll first need to roll a 5* (~69.69 rolls) and then you'll have a 50/50 chance of getting either a 5* weapon or 5* character. If you do get a 5* character, you'll have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the character you want (effectively 1 in 10 five star rolls will be the character you want when you include the 50/50 for weapon/character). Finally we can use:

1:10 odds for the character you want * 69.68 avg rolls per 5* = 696.8 average rolls needed for the specific 5* character you want (Wanderlust Invocation)

Odds on the Rate Up banner are a little funky and poorly translated in the details page. But essentially every 5* roll has a 50% chance of being the boosted character, if ANY 5* roll in the boosted banner is NOT the boosted character, then your NEXT 5* roll in the banner is guaranteed to be the boosted character. I'm sure someone better at math can share a formula for these odds, but I just simulated 10,000,000 5* drops with these rules and found an average of 2/3rds of them were Venti and 1/3rd were the other 5* characters.

2:3 (1:1.5) odds for the promo character * 69.68 average rolls for each 5* = 104.5 average rolls needed for the promo character (Promo Banner)

1:3 odds for non-promo 5* character * 1:5 odds for specific non-promo 5* you want * 69.68 average rolls for each 5* = 1045.2 average rolls needed for specific non-boosted 5* you want (Promo Banner)



Real world examples?

A few people have pointed out that when looking at real world data hardly anyone goes the full 90 rolls without getting their 5*. This would suggest there's some kind of scaling increase on the chances of getting a 5* around 70 pity pulls, and also could explain why Mihoyo advertises 1.6% drop rate. I don't have enough data to say for sure, but assuming the real drop rate IS 1.6% instead it would affect the 5* rates like this (4*s would be unchanged):

Permanent banner Promo Baner
Venti N/A 94
Diluc 625 938
Keqing 625 938
Mona 625 938
Qiqi 625 938
Jean 625 938


4 Star characters not in Promo banner:

Amber, Lisa, and Kaeya are not available in the Promo Banner. The averages I listed in the image account for this already, but just something to keep in mind if you're either looking for those drops or are looking to avoid those drops.



Why did you censor P*lls in the thread title?

Moderator bot was deleting my post thinking I was sharing a screenshot of my pull



I thought Venti banner was still better odds for getting Diluc than Permanent banner though?

I did too. We've been mislead by poorly translated details and missing information from Mihoyo. This post goes into more detail on it.

EDIT: However it is worth noting that your FIRST 5* win on the promo banner has equal odds of getting Diluc as a normal 5* win on the Permanent banner. After your first 5* win in the Promo you're better off sticking to the permanent banner if you're only after Diluc (or other non-boosted 5*s)



Gacha Simulator

Here's a third party Chinese site to simulate gacha rolls in this game. I did 100,000 rolls in each banner and found it compares pretty spot on to the averages in my post. I can now finally say I trust this site to be accurate, at least to the extent of what Mihoyo has shared about their rules.

If you want a specific, non-rate up character, it's always better to roll on the standard banner, but you're deep into whale territory before you'll see it.

[Obsidian]

Not true, actually: https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Imp...efore_getting/

Spoiler: show

BOTTOM LINE: DO NOT CHASE SPECIFIC CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT BEING BOOSTED IN A BANNER. WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE BOOSTED.

Update: This is a re-upload of my last post. There's been some significant revelations in my the previous thread from correcting poorly translated details and Mihoyo's chinese publication.



Explanation:

These numbers are the average amount of rolls it would take to get specific characters (starting from pity 0). These are based on simulated pulls and math - not the advertised 'adjusted' 1.6% drop rates for 5* character's since that is very likely false. Keep in mind rolling 697 times for Diluc doesn't mean you just got a Diluc or you're guaranteed to have Diluc, you would have several other 5* characters and weapons by the time you got that many rolls. It just means there's an average of 697 rolls between each Diluc win on that banner, taken over an extremely large sample size.



Math:

I simulated 100,000,000 rolls in VBA and found an average of 1.435% for 5* drops including the guarantee, and 11.83% for 4* including the guarantee. This is lower than their advertised 1.6% for 5*s and 13% for 4* average rates. Similar threads exist going into this in detail already, but here is my code. So with the new average percentage, we can calculate:

100% / 1.435% = 69.68 Average rolls needed for each 5*

100% / 11.83% = 8.45 Average rolls needed for each 4*

Now we can calculate how many rolls needed for a specific 5*, for example to get a specific 5* from the Wanderlust banner you'll first need to roll a 5* (~69.69 rolls) and then you'll have a 50/50 chance of getting either a 5* weapon or 5* character. If you do get a 5* character, you'll have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the character you want (effectively 1 in 10 five star rolls will be the character you want when you include the 50/50 for weapon/character). Finally we can use:

1:10 odds for the character you want * 69.68 avg rolls per 5* = 696.8 average rolls needed for the specific 5* character you want (Wanderlust Invocation)

Odds on the Rate Up banner are a little funky and poorly translated in the details page. But essentially every 5* roll has a 50% chance of being the boosted character, if ANY 5* roll in the boosted banner is NOT the boosted character, then your NEXT 5* roll in the banner is guaranteed to be the boosted character. I'm sure someone better at math can share a formula for these odds, but I just simulated 10,000,000 5* drops with these rules and found an average of 2/3rds of them were Venti and 1/3rd were the other 5* characters.

2:3 (1:1.5) odds for the promo character * 69.68 average rolls for each 5* = 104.5 average rolls needed for the promo character (Promo Banner)

1:3 odds for non-promo 5* character * 1:5 odds for specific non-promo 5* you want * 69.68 average rolls for each 5* = 1045.2 average rolls needed for specific non-boosted 5* you want (Promo Banner)



Real world examples?

A few people have pointed out that when looking at real world data hardly anyone goes the full 90 rolls without getting their 5*. This would suggest there's some kind of scaling increase on the chances of getting a 5* around 70 pity pulls, and also could explain why Mihoyo advertises 1.6% drop rate. I don't have enough data to say for sure, but assuming the real drop rate IS 1.6% instead it would affect the 5* rates like this (4*s would be unchanged):

Permanent banner Promo Baner
Venti N/A 94
Diluc 625 938
Keqing 625 938
Mona 625 938
Qiqi 625 938
Jean 625 938


4 Star characters not in Promo banner:

Amber, Lisa, and Kaeya are not available in the Promo Banner. The averages I listed in the image account for this already, but just something to keep in mind if you're either looking for those drops or are looking to avoid those drops.



Why did you censor P*lls in the thread title?

Moderator bot was deleting my post thinking I was sharing a screenshot of my pull



I thought Venti banner was still better odds for getting Diluc than Permanent banner though?

I did too. We've been mislead by poorly translated details and missing information from Mihoyo. This post goes into more detail on it.

EDIT: However it is worth noting that your FIRST 5* win on the promo banner has equal odds of getting Diluc as a normal 5* win on the Permanent banner. After your first 5* win in the Promo you're better off sticking to the permanent banner if you're only after Diluc (or other non-boosted 5*s)



Gacha Simulator

Here's a third party Chinese site to simulate gacha rolls in this game. I did 100,000 rolls in each banner and found it compares pretty spot on to the averages in my post. I can now finally say I trust this site to be accurate, at least to the extent of what Mihoyo has shared about their rules.

If you want a specific, non-rate up character, it's always better to roll on the standard banner, but you're deep into whale territory before you'll see it.

Aye, maybe I wasn't clear enough. By the sound of his post he was just fishing for any 5*, which is why I said spending on standard banner is bad. Your odds are 100% to get a 5* character on the Character banner.

[Kaslo]

Man... gem drops from the 6 elemental world bosses are so shit.

[BerenTebogo]

Aye, maybe I wasn't clear enough. By the sound of his post he was just fishing for any 5*, which is why I said spending on standard banner is bad. Your odds are 100% to get a 5* character on the Character banner.

Nah it was specifically for one of Mona/Kek/Jean + maybe Qiqi for whatever