Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode IX: Pray for Toledo

[Fiye]

Rogan had Andy Ngo on his podcast for an interview. Pretty interesting convo. While he comes off as a whiney bitch he does address the doxxing claims against him. The person (singular) that he references in his article was already identified in a public police report it appears. He’s just blamed for doxxing because he highlighted the information. Both of these things are online and easy to find. Unsure if there’s other cases of him opposing others.

Perhaps but you also have to understand that Andy Ngo does has an extreme bias when it comes to covering these rallies and provides cover for the Proud Boys. He's made himself notorious out of doing this. https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...98934106005506 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...59553098022912

I will stress that what happened to Andy Ngo was a targeted attack that was provided by the opportunity of him at another proud boy rally where he was there to record anti facist violence against the proud boys. If you have any other examples of journalists being attack by anti facists then please share but to my knowledge he was directly targetted because of his partisan pro-facist reporting.

If you need any idea of how much of a mistake it was for antifa to do this just google 'Andy Ngo Antifa' and you'll see plenty of pieces espousing his side of the story mostly from right leaning sources on top of the $200k+ he's received from gofundme.

[D44kpunk]

the best thing that can happen to someone in these situations is being attacked by the opposition, so i'm not surprised he's capitalizing on it.

i'm sure several people here watch the david pakman show, when he got "fired" from his job for something he said on twitter he admitted it was the best thing that could happen to him because of the publicity and exposure, and he's basically the exact opposite of andy ngo

[Mythe_Seraph]

I’m not disagreeing with you but you stated yourself that the issue stemmed from doxxing. Yes, he would be disliked for pushing a certain political viewpoint that doesn’t align with the left. But what made him a target was being blamed for doxxing.

I can’t find any information that specifically details individuals that he has doxxed other than the one he addressed. Which was already public information.

[Fiye]

But what made him a target was being blamed for doxxing.

I should be more clear then. The doxxing is more the cherry ontop of the proud boy supporting shit pie.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Just as long as we’re at the understanding that reporting from a bias viewpoint and being generally annoying at a rally constitutes brain damage. The doxxing claim seems completely baseless.

Anyway. We talked about this on the other thread but the violence is so ridiculous. From both sides. As much as people here spout fear mongering from the right the left is doing that exact shit by being so flippant with the terms nazi, racist and fascist. These terms also generate fear and are typically (not always) an incredible exaggeration. Anyone supporting this shit is simply uninformed. Because this stuff is bad. And stupid. And will lead to worse shit.

[archibaldcrane]

Antifa is kind of a joke if for no other reason than that they are more interested in fighting proud boys in the streets than liberating the camps where the children die.

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[Milkster]

Or people are actually white supremacists and know exactly what they're supporting. Stop trying to make ignorance a free pass. The Proud Boys are a white supremacy group. Point blank. They're not shy about their beliefs and to support and prop them up and spread their agendas and propaganda makes you just as bad as them. So call a racist a racist.

Lead to worse shit? Such as schools, places of worship etc being shot up and bomb threats and death threats? Be a shame if throwing a milkshake lead to that.

[Eurell]

Just as long as we’re at the understanding that reporting from a bias viewpoint and being generally annoying at a rally constitutes brain damage. The doxxing claim seems completely baseless.

Anyway. We talked about this on the other thread but the violence is so ridiculous. From both sides. As much as people here spout fear mongering from the right the left is doing that exact shit by being so flippant with the terms nazi, racist and fascist. These terms also generate fear and are typically (not always) an incredible exaggeration. Anyone supporting this shit is simply uninformed. Because this stuff is bad. And stupid. And will lead to worse shit.

I agree with this almost 100%

The only thing I want to point out is that it isn't the politicians throwing out the words Nazi and racist and fascist. No one that makes policy or leads the country is doing that without actual cause. However, on the other side, (some of) the people in charge Are the ones calling everyone communists, saying they hate America, telling them to go back to where they come from, saying being a white nationalist is a good thing, etc.

The left and right both have extremists. But the left doesn't have any of them in charge (on a national level that we keep track of, I won't pretend I know every democrat mayor or state senator or something). And I think that's an important distinction to remember.

[Mythe_Seraph]

I could generally agree that I don’t see political leaders using these terms as openly but the news media definitely does and it’s so difficult for the casual viewer or general public to discern between the two.

Also in response to you, Milkster, what seems ever so wrong with your general perspective is that you’re always willing to accept the extreme political or social viewpoint from your own “side” and that automatically is used to dehumanize and invalidate the opposing viewpoint(s), regardless of their extremity. You’re banned again so I doubt you’ll see this anyway.

[6souls]

Trump right now is saying he'll bring home A$AP Rocky because Melania is a fan.

[Cichy]

The only thing I want to point out is that it isn't the politicians throwing out the words Nazi and racist and fascist.

really? have you been in America in past 5 years?
Yesterday I turn on HBO and first thing it had Vice following Gillibrand, she was in Pennsylvania in some small town literally telling people they have no jobs because of racism

[Zealot]

Maybe if there were fewer Nazis and racists they'd talk about them less.

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[Rhyis.]

yall muricans take that sensationalism to new levels every day

[Boyiee]

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...swer-questions

Zealot I can't vote for those eyebrows fam I hope you got those taken care of.

[Mythe_Seraph]

Maybe if there were fewer Nazis and racists they'd talk about them less.

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Can’t even tell if this is sarcasm or not that’s the shame of these boards lol

[Mrbeansman]

The President is literally telling brown people to go back where they came from but yeah we throw around the word racist way too fast and loose.

[Dimmauk]

really? have you been in America in past 5 years?
Yesterday I turn on HBO and first thing it had Vice following Gillibrand, she was in Pennsylvania in some small town literally telling people they have no jobs because of racism

Huh?

[Mrbeansman]

Forgive me if I'm okay with dehumanizing the kind of the people who chant "Send her back" at our racist presidents rallies.

[Eurell]

Yeah, again. There's actual national level republicans saying white nationalism is good, colored senators should go back where they came from, and calling everyone communists and socialists (despite their actual beliefs) just to fear monger.

Some democrats at the same level will call people like that racist, yes. For very good fucking reason. Thats not the same as just calling everyone that disagrees a racist or a NAZI.

[Tokitoki]

really? have you been in America in past 5 years?
Yesterday I turn on HBO and first thing it had Vice following Gillibrand, she was in Pennsylvania in some small town literally telling people they have no jobs because of racism

Is this what you're talking about? Because that's not what's being said at all.

A white woman from Ohio asked Gillibrand about white privilege. Her answer was spot on.

Question: I hear you saying there is a lot of divisive language coming from Republicans, coming from Trump and that we are looking for ways to blame each other. But the Democratic Party loves to throw around terms like white privilege. Now this is an area that across all demographics has been depressed because of the loss of its industry and the opioids crisis. So what do you have to say to people in this area about so-called white privilege?

Gillibrand: So, I understand that families in this community are suffering deeply. I am fully hear from you and folks that I’ve talked to just in a few minutes that I’ve been here, that is devastating when you’ve lost your job, you’ve lost your ability to provide for your kids, that when you put 20, 30 years into a company that all of the sudden doesn’t care about you or won’t call you back and gives you a day to move. That is not acceptable and not okay. So no one in that circumstance is privileged on any level, but that’s not what that conversation is about.

Question: What is it about?

Gillibrand: I’m going to explain.

What the conversation is about is when a community has been left behind for generations because of the color of their skin. When you’ve been denied job, after job, after job because you’re black or because you’re brown. Or when you go to the emergency room to have your baby. The fact that we have the highest maternal mortality rate and if you are a black woman you are four times more likely to die in childbirth because that healthcare provider doesn’t believe you when you say I don’t feel right. Because he doesn’t value you. Or because she doesn’t value you.

So institutional racism is real. It doesn’t take away your pain or suffering. It’s just a different issue. Your suffering is just as important as a black or brown person’s suffering but to fix the problems that are happening in a black community you need far more transformational efforts that targeted for real racism that exists every day.

So if your son, is 15 years old and smokes pot. He smokes pot just as much as black boy in his neighborhood and the Latino boy in his neighborhood. But that black and brown boy is four times more likely to get arrested. When he’s arrested that criminal justice system might require him to pay bail. 500 bucks. That kid does not have 500 bucks he might not be able to make bail. As an adult with a child at home and he’s a single parent, if he is thrown in jail no one is with his child. It doesn’t matter what he says, I have to go home, I have a child at home, he’s only 12. What am I going to do. It doesn’t matter.

Imagine as a parent how you would feel so helpless. That’s institutional racism. Your son will likely not have to deal with that because he is white. So when someone says white privilege, that is all they are talking about. That his whiteness will mean that a police officer might give him a second chance. It might mean that he doesn’t get incarcerated because he had just smoked a joint with his girlfriend. It might mean that he won’t have to post bail. It means he might be able to show up to work the next day and lose his job and not be in the cycle of poverty that never ends. That’s all it is.

But it doesn’t mean that [doesn’t] deserve my voice, lifting up your challenge. It also doesn’t mean that black and brown people are left to fight these challenges on their own. A white woman like me who is a senator and running for president of the United States. Has to lift up their voice just as much as I would lift up yours. That’s all it means. It doesn’t take away from you at all. It just means we have to recognize suffering in all its forms and solve it in each place intentionally and with knowledge about what we are up against.

If this quote is too long I'm sorry, but I think since it's a transcript of what she said it's okay? Dunno, I can edit if need be.