Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode IX: Pray for Toledo

[Koyangi]

Get a room.

[Deftscythe]

One of many things that Omar cites as going counter to Obama's campaign of hope and change. A campaign that looked nothing like his governing style of... an establishment reformist, complete with being committed to maintaining American hegemony.

It is of course also correct to point out that she is ridiculously naive if she thinks that any President could govern without being responsible for killings. The job is navigating who dies and in what amounts, not trying to prevent it. A bloodless geopolitical realm is a fantasy and pursuing it only welcomes destruction when we have revisionist rivals who practice offensive realism.

And her criticism of Obama detention centers misses the mark entirely because as I have previously pointed out in this thread these centers are used substantially and significantly different in the Trump era because of new Trump/Sessions policies.

Glad you can find some common ground with Omar.

[guartz]

..... substantially and significantly different in the Trump era because of new Trump/Sessions policies.

when Trump does it it's racist, we know.

[Gredival]

when Trump does it it's racist, we know.

According to the DHS' own statistics (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...elsen-edition/) there are 13,000~ "separated" children.

About 10,500-11,000 of those children are truly unaccompanied minors, meaning they showed up at the border without their parents. Generally speaking these are children who are 10 to 17 years old and have some kind of family here that they're looking to connect with when they arrive (i.e. they were sneaking over the border to go to connect with these people and got caught).

The Obama era policy was to "detain" these children, but after they are processed (with a court date for their deportation or asylum hearing) they could be released to a guardian on our side (or they could just go back over the border).

The other ~2,500 children are those that came with a parent, but were rendered unaccompanied by virtue of the *NEW* Trump administration family separation policy, which is subsequent to the new zero-tolerance policy ordered by Jeff Sessions.

Because Obama did not have a zero tolerance policy, or a separation policy, these types of cases flat out did not exist during his administration. In fact, Bush 43 instituted a similar zero-tolerance policy in 2005 but he had the foresight to GIVE AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION for these cases in order to avoid forced separation.

Now in addition to the needless, mechanical, and inhumane policy of separation, there is no system of tracking them along with their parent so that they can be reunified later. This means the kids will be orphaned because there is no way to reunite them with their parents after whatever legal processing occurs, whether they are granted asylum or deported back. It's particularly an issue because some children are being physically relocated to other facilities and not just kept in facilities close to wherever they are split from their parents.

Trump has artificially increased the burden on the government by creating thousands of additional unaccompanied minors through their bone-headed policy. They are doing this because (a) they think it will deter others from coming (not been reflected in the numbers since the policy went into effect), (b) they want to punish border hoppers (something that is reflected by the stories of abuse regarding border patrol agents and those who support them), and (c) Trump can blame the other side for not working with him by saying the problem that he created, and can fix by himself, requires the Democrats to cooperate by severely decreasing asylum claims and other legal immigration and giving him funding for the wall in exchange for the repeal of his separation policies.

The Trump administration literally created orphans. No hyperbole. Then Trump then said it's not his job to reconnect them.

There are literally zero instances of that happening with Obama or Bush because the only children that were ever detained were ones who came unaccompanied and were *already* separated, and neither of those administrations had a policy of separating kids from their parents

[Gredival]

[6souls]

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/22/74424...qanon-delusion

The QAnon-er who gunned down the head of the Gambino mafia was under the delusion that he was under the full protection of Donald Trump.

Comello's attorney argues that he became so engrossed with unsupported QAnon theories that on the night of Cali's death, he was acting under a delusion, which included that Democratic politicians, celebrities and people associated with organized crime were part of the "deep state," according to Comello's lawyer. He wrote that his client believed he was on a mission "to save the American way of life."

When Comello arrived at Cali's home, according to the filing, the plan was to stage a citizen's arrest of Cali, not shoot him. But after a heated exchange with Cali, Comello says the alleged mob boss made a "furtive action with his hand," which made Comello afraid for his life. He then reached into his pickup truck, grabbed a gun and fired at Cali, killing him.

"Because of his self-perceived status in QAnon, Mr. Comello became certain that he was enjoying the protection of President Trump himself, and that he had the president's full support," Gottlieb wrote to the court.

The suspected murderer carried out his violent act as a way of fighting against the deep state to "expose the entire conspiracy and ensure that every criminal is brought to justice," the filing says.

Comello had a history of bizarre stunts, according to the filing. He attempted to arrest New York Mayor Bill de Blasio at his official residence, Gracie Mansion, but was thwarted by police. In another instance, Comello went to a federal district courthouse in Manhattan, believing that U.S. Reps. Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff were there. His lawyer said he planned to "arrest and detain" the two Democrats from California. He then went to a U.S. Marshals office nearby, "but was unsuccessful in securing their assistance in his attempt to arrest both representatives."

[Mertron]

welp, he’s not gonna last long in prison

[Fiye]

Is this where I endlessly scream?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...chiefs-1426698

President Donald Trump recently spoke to top House Intelligence Republican Devin Nunes about replacements for the country’s intelligence chief — the latest sign that Dan Coats’ tenure may be short-lived.

Nunes, who grabbed national attention with his controversial allegations of Obama administration surveillance abuses, met with Trump and other senior White House officials last week to discuss who could take over for Coats at the Office of Director of National Intelligence, according to three people familiar with the get-together.

Taking advice from Nunes jfc

[guartz]

According to the DHS' own statistics (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...elsen-edition/) there are 13,000~ "separated" children.

About 10,500-11,000 of those children are truly unaccompanied minors, meaning they showed up at the border without their parents. Generally speaking these are children who are 10 to 17 years old and have some kind of family here that they're looking to connect with when they arrive (i.e. they were sneaking over the border to go to connect with these people and got caught).

The Obama era policy was to "detain" these children, but after they are processed (with a court date for their deportation or asylum hearing) they could be released to a guardian on our side (or they could just go back over the border).

The other ~2,500 children are those that came with a parent, but were rendered unaccompanied by virtue of the *NEW* Trump administration family separation policy, which is subsequent to the new zero-tolerance policy ordered by Jeff Sessions.

Because Obama did not have a zero tolerance policy, or a separation policy, these types of cases flat out did not exist during his administration. In fact, Bush 43 instituted a similar zero-tolerance policy in 2005 but he had the foresight to GIVE AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION for these cases in order to avoid forced separation.

Now in addition to the needless, mechanical, and inhumane policy of separation, there is no system of tracking them along with their parent so that they can be reunified later. This means the kids will be orphaned because there is no way to reunite them with their parents after whatever legal processing occurs, whether they are granted asylum or deported back. It's particularly an issue because some children are being physically relocated to other facilities and not just kept in facilities close to wherever they are split from their parents.

Trump has artificially increased the burden on the government by creating thousands of additional unaccompanied minors through their bone-headed policy. They are doing this because (a) they think it will deter others from coming (not been reflected in the numbers since the policy went into effect), (b) they want to punish border hoppers (something that is reflected by the stories of abuse regarding border patrol agents and those who support them), and (c) Trump can blame the other side for not working with him by saying the problem that he created, and can fix by himself, requires the Democrats to cooperate by severely decreasing asylum claims and other legal immigration and giving him funding for the wall in exchange for the repeal of his separation policies.

The Trump administration literally created orphans. No hyperbole. Then Trump then said it's not his job to reconnect them.

There are literally zero instances of that happening with Obama or Bush because the only children that were ever detained were ones who came unaccompanied and were *already* separated, and neither of those administrations had a policy of separating kids from their parents

This picture you paint is very different reality DHS paints.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/...lerance-policy

Why should I believe you, with obvious abject bias towards this admin?

[Melena]

I dunno, maybe because the current acting DHS chief is going to strictly parrot whatever Trump tells them to. I mean, a government agency lying, perish the thought....

[Karbuncle]

I dunno, maybe because the current acting DHS chief is going to strictly parrot whatever Trump tells them to. I mean, a government agency lying, perish the thought....

As opposed to the very fair, not at all parroted, completely non partisan unbiased opinions we hear here?

"Between a rock and a hard place" fits politics too well TBH.

[arus2001]

Whataboutism or not, there's no excuse for what's going on at the border right now.

[Karbuncle]

Whataboutism or not, there's no excuse for what's going on at the border right now.

Which parts do you feel are the ones making you most upset, and how can we improve them?

[Kaslo]

Which parts do you feel are the ones making you most upset, and how can we improve them?

Well for one, we could start by not cage people to the point they are standing in their own feces. But that's a radical idea.

[Karbuncle]

Well for one, we could start by not cage people to the point they are standing in their own feces. But that's a radical idea.

Well good news is that there was an emergency funding bill recently passed to help situations like that, which I do hope works.

(for reference: It was back in June) - https://www.apnews.com/1da70ca1789149a5a2aaf49a869c985c

Any thoughts on the Child Trafficking and Rapes of women attempting to cross illegally? How about the fact estimated 30% of children who are with their "parents" aren't biologically related to the people claiming to be parents? ( https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...were-unrelated )

Sorry if any of my sources are Neo-Nazis, blame google for putting them so high in the list.

[Melena]

Last I checked, BG isn't a government agency. Plenty of people have gotten hammered on both sides for posting shit that was either outdated or debunked. It just happens to be that more often then not, that Republicans are more prone to believing and promoting alternative facts and fake headlines versus the left.

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[6souls]

Trump is suing the House to prevent them from obtaining his State Taxes.

[Karbuncle]

Last I checked, BG isn't a government agency. Plenty of people have gotten hammered on both sides for posting shit that was either outdated or debunked. It just happens to be that more often then not, that Republicans are more prone to believing and promoting alternative facts and fake headlines versus the left.

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I disagree, but its literally an impossibility for me to prove that opinion since theres no quantifiable method for doing so based on the given logic. So I'mma let you feel you

Trump is suing the House to prevent them from obtaining his State Taxes.

Edit: Read that wrong since it was randomly off topic, thought you meant he was trying to prevent the Bill I posted above from getting tax support lol.

Mk

[Melena]

Uhh what part are you disagreeing on, the fact people on the left have gotten mocked for posting outdated or debunked things or that we're not a government entity, because if it's the first option, you can quickly go to the bad police thread and see Milkster get railed for posting a heavily edited video from 2 years ago like it was new just a week ago as an example.

[Karbuncle]

It just happens to be that more often then not, that Republicans are more prone to believing and promoting alternative facts and fake headlines versus the left.

The only part you didn't mention, lol ^

Shoulda just specified that part sorry for the confusion.