Godwin's Thread

[Salodin]

I get free ad hulu from student spotify, use the in laws for Netflix, have amazon prime for deliveries, and now I can get free d+ thru verizon.

My situation isnt typical, but it seems I'm covered! Lol

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[Rhyis.]

You're right, that would be the ultimate conclusion after you ignore or laugh off the voluminous evidence - like you've been doing- that voter ID laws and myriad other voter suppression techniques disproportionately affect minorities that I would otherwise spend time putting together and curating, so it does save a lot of time to just admit right out of the gate no information will make you give up the stance you got from a YouTube video because you want to see just how hard I'll go.

Like I understand you don't actually care about this at all, you care about how much other people care about it. That's not interesting and not worth the time to argue.

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imagine thinking the simplest of security steps to negate identity fraud for one of the most important aspects of a free society is suppression. like, how does a functioning person not have some form of government identification to begin with

[Zealot]

imagine thinking the simplest of security steps to negate identity fraud for one of the most important aspects of a free society is suppression

I don't think that.

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[Zealot]

Plenty of ways to implement voter ID laws that don't oppress voters, we just don't tend to do any of them.

Gotta fight back against those 31/1,000,000,000 chances of in person fraud though.

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[Anoat]

Jimmy Carter hospitalized after a fall at his home. Dude is 95 so falls are legit life threatening. Don’t go in to the light Jimmy!

[Rhyis.]

this nigga thinks voting needs less security than a college calculus exam. amazing shit. zealot is an example of why america is wrong in everything

[Zealot]

this nigga thinks voting needs less security than a college calculus exam. amazing shit. zealot is an example of why america is wrong in everything

Except I just said otherwise. Two posts up.

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[Zealot]

More people probably try to defraud calculus exams than they do voting, also.

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[Dimmauk]

this nigga thinks voting needs less security than a college calculus exam. amazing shit. zealot is an example of why america is wrong in everything

I agree. We should make voting more difficult so old people can't vote. Great idea fellow citizen.

[Rhyis.]

why would an old person not have gov id? old people carry more id then anybody lol
are muricans touched in the head? there's like 40 different kinds of id out there lol

[Day]

i only care about election fraud when the russian bot farms are posting color your bernie memes on facebook

[Salodin]

All the white people in here who arent broke wondering why people dont just take $50 out and get a gov ID lol

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[NynJa]

How do these broke people without a Gov ID do all those other things that require a Gov ID?

[Gredival]

There is very little evidence of mass scale voter fraud and there are GOP operatives who have admitted that the motive is disenfranchisement.

[Zealot]

why would an old person not have gov id? old people care more id then anybody lol
are muricans touched in the head? there's like 40 different kinds of id out there lol

Good question. The most common form of picture ID is a driver's license, but many elderly people may either not have them anymore, or they come from a big city where they never needed to drive so they never got one. Some elderly people in rural areas never got one at all, and if they wanted to now the closest DMV might be 50 miles away.

Birth certificates are also less common among the elderly and those from rural areas. My grandma was born on my great-grandfather's farm, there was no hospital involved. It's also common for older birth certificates, where they do exist, to have spelling errors that wouldn't meet the "exact match" criteria states like Georgia implemented where if you're attempting to get a form of government ID and your birth certificate doesn't match your SSID, it's disqualified. An 84-year old voter in Wisconsin tried to present her baptismal certificate because it was all she had, and was turned away and asked how did they know she wasn't an alien?

Often states will say there's no barrier to getting government-issued ID if you present some other form of government-issued ID and then find ways to disqualify those. It's completely at the discretion of the person examining the ID - California, for example, uses index-card sized birth certificate on carbon paper. Voters moving to other states and trying to obtain new ID have been turned away by clerks after being told it "looks fake." There's no process for review when that happens. Also keep in mind that for elderly voters, these restrictions never existed before and they often aren't discovered until it's too late to act upon it.

For a LOT of people, don't get me wrong, the obstacles put up to obtain a voter ID aren't insurmountable, just annoying. But the laws aren't put in place to suppress those people, they're in place to make it inconvenient for elderly and poor voters who don't have reliable transportation or internet or the ability to necessarily wait through the hours it might take to stand in line at the DMV for a free picture ID. There are plenty of ways we could implement a universal voter ID system that wouldn't keep anyone from voting, but most of the time those laws are in place to achieve the opposite result.

North Dakota is a great and recent example of this. Native Americans went overwhelmingly for Heidi Heitkamp when she won her Senate seat. So between elections, the state legislature made a rule that in order to be valid for voting purposes, an ID had to list your current street address. The problem was that the majority of reservations don't have formal street addresses. They could also try using a utility bill with their name on it, but over 18,000 natives in North Dakota don't have those, either. Now again, there were ways around this and voting rights groups scrambled to help voters get the ID they needed, but this was just weeks before the election and many could not be reached or obtain the documents they needed in time to vote in this past election cycle.

Anyway, that last part was a little off topic but that's why many elderly people don't have and find it difficult to obtain the necessary ID.

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[Gredival]

How do these broke people without a Gov ID do all those other things that require a Gov ID?

Verifying identity for work in the U.S. can be done by one doc that verifies eligibility (gov ID w/o picture) and one ID that verifies identity (any picture ID not necessarily gov; college school ID works for instance).

Voter ID laws usually require gov picture ID.

[Day]

There is very little evidence of mass scale voter fraud and there are GOP operatives who have admitted that the motive is disenfranchisement.

how would one go about supplying evidence when per zealots source you have 15-20% of demographics voting without ID lol

[Gredival]

If we were really concerned about voter fraud we would regulate mail-in voting which is very easy to defraud and is usually the source of false ballots. But since the demographics that mail in vote are GOP leaning, the GOP never says shit about that.

[Demosthenes]

Basically, for some situations like above. I mean, if Discord has a browser with twitch emotes loaded in I guess that works fine.

Gotta pay for nitro to use custom emotes.

[Tokitoki]

Gotta pay for nitro to use custom emotes.

Stanislaw making a killing off this shit right here.