Godwin's Thread

[Tokitoki]

I think you just don't understand the vape community or the manufacturers of the juices, perhaps there are some that are purposely marketing towards children but I've never seen it. These companies make the flavors because the main users (adults) buy them, and they buy them because they taste good. If your juice tastes like shit they talk about you on the vape forums and your business fails. Conversely if you produce good shit people buy it and talk about it. The various flavors are a major part of vaping and it has nothing to do with kids.

It is already illegal to sell this to minors. So if you want to regulate packaging or whatever Im cool with that, but you are advocating taking away one of the major positives of the vape juice when you don't really have a very good understanding of what you are talking about.

The Disturbing Focus Of Juul's Early Marketing Campaigns

Dr. Robert Jackler, the cofounder of a group called Stanford Research Into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising (SRITA), a Stanford University-affiliated program, says that Juul deleted the vast majority of its social media posts in several waves sometime before September this year, but Jackler and his group have maintained an archive of Juul’s deleted posts (much of which is available on SRITA’s site), including more than 2,500 tweets and 400 Facebook and Instagram posts, as well as material from Juul’s website, emails and print campaigns dating back to its launch in June 2015.
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Jackler says the company’s marketing clearly appealed to youth, most overtly from mid-2015 to 2016, the year following Juul’s launch.
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Often, early marketing contains little to no reference to Juul being an option for switching from cigarettes.
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“While JUUL has halted its own [social media] posts, the viral peer-to-peer spread among teens the company initiated will live on indefinitely, or at least until the teen craze for Juul abates,” Jackler said in an email.

Whether people want to believe it or not, their marketing was not targeted at adults trying to swap over from cigarettes. They've recently deleted their social media accounts in an attempt to slow the tide of exposure to teens. This should be an indication of what their marketing has done. The bold line is especially important when the CEO has claimed that their target audience has always been smokers.

Also, acting like I don't understand what a forum is on a forum is mindbending.

[Tokitoki]

God Emperor Trump agrees.

Repost since Day can't go to poopdeck.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49667688

Trump is considering a nationwide ban on flavored e-cigarettes to protect innocent children.

[archibaldcrane]

Bruh no one wants to vape shitty flavorless nicotine juice. Even the "tobacco" is a flavor and it's 99% of the time str8 shit

So...banning flavors is extremely good and will drastically reduce new nicotine addicts?

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[Day]

That is what started this whole convo

[Day]

God Emperor Trump agrees.

Repost since Day can't go to poopdeck.

You're arguing same thing Trump is, marinate on that a little bit

[Tokitoki]

Yep, I am.

And Juul seems to agree too.

The firm has responded by banning online sales to anyone under the age of 21, stopping its social media campaigns and suspending sales of its flavoured products in traditional stores, among other steps.

[Day]

"vapers" don't even buy juuls smh

[Tokitoki]

Juul is an example because it's the largest company in the business right now and were instrumental in the rise of vaping in our culture.

[Day]

Juul was founded in 2015

[Day]

People been blowing fat clouds of rice Krispy treat flavor way before juul

[Tokitoki]

To be honest, if all the flavored juices were nicotine free and were still illegal to sell to minors I don't think I'd have as much of an issue with it. Then it would fall more on the user to move to the juices with nicotine that were not flavored.

[Milkster]

This must be so embarrassing for Day.

[Day]

This must be so embarrassing for Day.

Nah

[Tokitoki]

People been blowing fat clouds of rice Krispy treat flavor way before juul

But it wasn't as widespread as it is now. That's the whole argument. Their marketing campaign and the availability and use by minors.

Those other companies obviously weren't marketing the product "as well" because there were less users and they didn't bring in the numbers that Juul is.

[Day]

Yall are basically fighting the fight for big tobacco because 6 people died, some here should be embarrassed but it's not me.

[Day]

Anyways this is like talking about vidya games with your aunt

[Tokitoki]

What?

Juul is owned by Altria Group that produces Malboro. They ARE big tobacco. THATS THE FUCKING POINT

[Mertron]

i have a three hour break between classes and my parents live nearby so i stopped at their house and my mom made me a bangin lunch, my plan was to do this every day

however, it also gave me incredible gas, and i just got done silently farting my way through two hours of lecture. I do not think any students noticed, but my goodness

carry on

[Milkster]

Embarrassing.

Has anyone even said cigarettes were a good thing and shouldn't be heavily regulated and or outright banned?

[Tokitoki]

They're marketing their products under a different guise to an audience that they were not otherwise able to market to and get them physically addicted to a product that was originally deemed safer than tobacco.