Time for FFXI "Classic"?

[Draylo]

I didn't ask anyone to do anything, I could care less what he does lol. I never reported anyone because nobody can get under my skin here, I'm just honestly perplexed at why he is such a dick in this day and age. He posts like hes from 2006/7 BG where everyone had a pole up their ass. I wonder if he maybe never lost that typing style lol. If you value discussion you might ask him to tone it down though, because I can tell you people are staying away from this thread for him alone. I've gotten tells in game from people asking why does this guy hate you so much. I'm like I have no idea, I've never played with him and never met him and never did anything with him. Hes another internet hater I guess. Didn't he used to have a mean girls avatar? I don't even know who it is but he is certainly keeping people away from this thread.

[Gredival]

And as far as the point of debate? Because we are having a discussion.

Just because you won't ever change your mind doesn't mean that some other people wouldn't.

And the objective doesn't have to be to change people's minds. As I said, I'm trying to make the debate one about competing values. Even if people's opinions don't change, I think we're in a better place at the end if both sides realize that they aren't arguing about "opinions" and "taste" like this was about whether chocolate or vanilla was the better flavor.

I'm transparent and perfectly clear that I'm espousing a value system that embraces elitism, exclusion, and stratification. And I'm saying those things are good. People are used to being able to just end the debate there because people assume elitism is bad so they assume proving something is elitist is proving their point. I'm actually making people defend the basic values they are relying upon and the framework they approach the world with. People arguing for 99 are arguing for a value system that prizes accessibility. I'm challenging them to explain why that's a good thing.

It's like the trolley problem. You think you disprove utilitarianism just by showing that I would have to pull the lever and murder the one guy. I'm firing back by saying you have missed the point entirely and that not pulling the lever makes you a quintuple murderer.

[Lyltia]

The only reason Gredival hasn't nuked this thread or anyone in it is because he lucked into a captive audience for the soapboxing of his deeply sociopathic views and plans on riding it out as long as he can.

[Gredival]

I can also be found on /r/FFXI and /r/MMORPG and literally any other thread on this forum that tangentially involves 75 cap.

[Draylo]

lol jeeze

[Gredival]

Please look forward to it.

[Spicyryan]

Gred will just keep pushing his opinion until everyone is too sick of speaking and he wins. 75evar

[Gredival]

Or you could actually, you know, try engage in the debate like other people have done.

Rather than saying you addressed something when you haven't.

Or is my presence here in the sanctum of 99 cap too distressing?

[Ophannus]

I disagree and would love if you proved it LoH.

I don't think a lot of that content could have just simply been done with k club drks when limiting it to 5 people. I also disagree with your premise that people had no idea how to play the game. BLM was superior to SAM and most linkshells into the 75 era had g horns and refresh cycling. There weren't nearly the amount of buffs that there are now in the game in general. SV brd rotations were incredibly common to get 4-6 songs before fights or zergs. Brd rotations in general were very common.

Most of the Cor and otherwise rolls didn't even exist... So..

Yeah COR was just a worse BRD at 75. Almost all their good rolls come 75+ and their damage was insignificant before Wildfire except in merit parties. SCH was also awful at 75. They didn't come with all those high end Regen spells nor did they get Kaustra/Embrava until the 3rd expansion of Abyssea if I recall, so they were just a budget BLM/WHM. Sublimation was hot garbage when first released, too. Job balance at 75 was absolutely awful, I can't stress that enough. Sometimes I lay awake at night and just think about how they devs missed the mark so hard for so many jobs for nearly a decade. Granted jobs are not completely balanced now but they have come a drastically long way in closing up all the obvious pitfalls many jobs had.

[Isiolia]

Sometimes I lay awake at night and just think about how they devs missed the mark so hard for so many jobs for nearly a decade. Granted jobs are not completed balanced now but they have come a drastically long way in closing up all the obvious pitfalls many jobs had.

I suspect that has had a good bit to do with who was running the game. I mean, stepping back, SE has said that the original plan for the game was a five year lifespan. While that obviously would have shifted as they continued to see subscription numbers, that'd mean a lot of their early decisions were made figuring the game would be done before WoTG came out.
What I'd suspect is that Tanaka continued to hold on to some of that thinking. When he left for XIV and the folks that had actually been doing battle system/content design took over, they moved to addressing job/gear balance via jumping to a new level cap. 99 did a lot. ilevel retooled a lot as well, with zones that changed level correction, Magic Damage stat, and so on.

At the same time, they broadened the scope of gear/sets to put together.

They may have done so at a pace or in a way that has proved detrimental to the social or community aspects of the game, but the decisions make sense with respect to adjusting/balancing game mechanics.

[stamos]

Gain-XP ruined all accomplishments.

[Spicyryan]

Or you could actually, you know, try engage in the debate like other people have done.

Rather than saying you addressed something when you haven't.

Or is my presence here in the sanctum of 99 cap too distressing?

We feel differently about what an accomplishment is, how valuable gatekeeping is, how scarce the game should make random shit, how alienated players should be cuz hardcore chair warriors wanna feel good, and so on.

It only be distressing if I had to bring myself to respond to your PhD thesis here. On why you believe every single point we disagree on to a level of your satisfaction.

[Xno Kappa]

Yeah COR was just a worse BRD at 75. Almost all their good rolls come 75+ and their damage was insignificant before Wildfire except in merit parties. SCH was also awful at 75. They didn't come with all those high end Regen spells nor did they get Kaustra/Embrava until the 3rd expansion of Abyssea if I recall, so they were just a budget BLM/WHM. Sublimation was hot garbage when first released, too. Job balance at 75 was absolutely awful, I can't stress that enough. Sometimes I lay awake at night and just think about how they devs missed the mark so hard for so many jobs for nearly a decade. Granted jobs are not completed balanced now but they have come a drastically long way in closing up all the obvious pitfalls many jobs had.

To be honest it feels even more retardedly unbalanced nowadays, except for maybe the RNG era. The answer to 98% of of all the big baddies today is to just toss more SMN’s at it with a GEO/COR/WHM on the side.

[Xno Kappa]

The only one the requires any thought is that retarded one with the magic/regen gimmick in omen. I don’t remember the name. Fuck that guy.

[Xno Kappa]

To be honest it feels even more retardedly unbalanced nowadays, except for maybe the RNG era. The answer to 98% of of all the big baddies today is to just toss more SMN’s at it with a GEO/COR/WHM on the side.

Oh and a RUN! I guess paladins suck now or that’s just what fondue always preferred.

[Gredival]

It only be distressing if I had to bring myself to respond to your PhD thesis here.

"Ressentiment against the HNMLS Ubermensch: A Nietzschean Analysis on the Level Cap Raise in Final Fantasy XI" forthcoming in the Penn State University Press' Journal of Nietzsche Studies.

Please look forward to it.

[NynJa]

Who will peer review it though?

Map
Rykoshet
Diomer
Berticus
Wop
Thorny

[Karbuncle]

Some names on there I think we'd all be better off never hearing from again.

[Kipling]

No other game has given the same feeling of having a relic in the 75 cap era that’s for god damn sure. The only other comparable feeling was when another LS mate achieved it too and you knew your shell became that much more prestigious.

Played a lot of games since then. Done a lot of cool shit. Nothing has ever even come close to the accomplishments you felt from FFXI. Not even a fraction.

I wish I didn't also feel this way but I do. FFXI literally ruined my brain.

[Karbuncle]

Seeing a Relic weapon in the old 75 era was really rare, especially the uncommon ones like Kikoku or Bravura. Shame like 90% of them were nothing but DPS buttons, most of the weaponskills were dogshit and hinged entirely on how good the Aftermath was.

I never had a relic weapon until the 99 cap when they revamped and let you go in solo. It still felt good, but it certainly wasn't the same.