Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode X: Purple Raining to Impeachment

[guartz]

Name some, please, I'm legitimately looking for those answers.

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Volker and Morrison come to mind

[kuronosan]

That's the point. Just makes your assessment ..asinine.

I guess it's hard for you to be introspective when your head is too far up your ass.

[kuronosan]

Volker and Morrison come to mind

You mean the two people who said literally the opposite of what you're supposing?

Jesus you're rich.

[guartz]

Yes, because they had previously purchased Javelin missiles and now wanted more, your post inferred that thanking Trump for the first missiles is all that occured which is not true.

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You are right, just reread it. I can see how my statement is misleading. It's just I object to inferring that Javelins are linked to the favor.

[Zealot]

I'll have to find Morrison's testimony. Volker does claim he never was directed to do anything he believed was wrong by the President and stated that everything he was concerned about came from Giuliani. However he also claimed that he didn't believe Ukraine was even aware the aid was being held up (and it has since emerged that they were) and Sondland testified that Giuliani was working at the express direction of the President, even if Volker may not have been aware of that.

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[guartz]

I'll have to find Morrison's testimony. Volker does claim he never was directed to do anything he believed was wrong by the President and stated that everything he was concerned about came from Giuliani. However he also claimed that he didn't believe Ukraine was even aware the aid was being held up (and it has since emerged that they were) and Sondland testified that Giuliani was working at the express direction of the President, even if Volker may not have been aware of that.

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[Zealot]

Thanks, I'll try to watch that at work.

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[Zealot]

Also Rick Gates gets 45 days in jail.

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[guartz]

I might also have to point out, that there seems to be some confusion here. Trump never denied that Guliani was looking into Bidens. What's in contention is that he was forcing Ukraine to cooperate by withholding aid.

[Zealot]

Yes, and it's my belief that

1) he was, and

2) he only cared for the declaration of investigation, not the investigation itself.

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[Lokus]

The talking point is that Trump was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, which if that really was the case, it's fine to withhold until that situation is satisfactory. But everything Trump actually did, actions not words, doesn't gel with that interpretation.

Should Biden get the nomination, this is going to be his buttery mails since even without Ukraine publicly saying they were going to investigate, the seed has been planted and it'll be brought up constantly especially once the Senate votes against removing Trump. Truly amazing how one of the most corrupt presidents manages to deflect his shadiness.

[guartz]

Putting aside what Guiliani has been saying about Bidens from his investigations on the news, do you think there was no good reason to look into Bursima and Bidens?

[Zealot]

I do not, because the reason stated was that Biden had used his influence as VP to remove a prosecutor investigating them and there is not a timeline which supports this theory.

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[Tarage]

For your metaphor to be accurate you have to point out that the nobody has evidence that you hurt anybody, people in the room said you didn't hurt anybody and the guy who you were supposedly hurting said "He didn't hurt me." That's why Trump isn't being impeached for quid pro quo, he is being impeached for investigating Biden for his personal gain. "Abuse of Power"

And all Trump has to do, is provide proof that he had good reasons. Tbh I don't know if he has that, I really don't trust Guiliani.

As far as the obstruction of congress article of impeachment, there is a legal opinion floating around that the SC already ruled on it in favor of trump. I've made a previous post about this somewhere on this forum.


It's not all doom and gloom, there is a good probability he might be removed via republican political suicide. A lot of senators do not like Trump. Republican and Democrat.

Something something beaten wife.

[Zealot]

Oh, fortuitously, Politifact named their Lie of the Year yesterday. A bold move considering there's 2 weeks left but: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...eblower-wrong/

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[Guyverarmor]

Trump won it...totally shocked I tell you...shocked !

[Moss]

The best lies!

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[Aerin]

Does it send a bit of a chill down anyone else’s spine that McConnell just blatantly stated that this is all just a political process and that he’s not an impartial juror?

Mitch McConnell: 'I'm not an impartial juror' ahead of Senate impeachment trial https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/polit...ent/index.html

While he’s certainly not wrong in his description of how things went down for Clinton’s impeachment (during which I was a young teenager and didn’t pay attention to such things), it feels like a complete abdication of responsibility and gives the person in office complete freedom to do whatever they want so long as their party controls the House or Senate.

I know it’s nothing new in that this is how we all felt the process was anyway. But the blatant open admission of it just makes it feel like an open signal to the powers that be to feel free to do whatever you want, there will be no consequences from us.

[Fiye]

Not really? McConnell is probably single worst being to inhabit our Congress in the history of the union. I already knew impeachment was DoA and the only good thing is it'll prevent his senate from rubber stamping ultra conservative justices.

[Byrthnoth]

It is kind of reassuring because admitting his process is corrupt should undercut any "exonerated" narrative after the inevitable acquittal.

It won't, but if people had two working neurons to rub together it would.