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    They're being driven out because they can't handle the burden of discussion while being a minority ideology. That's inevitable and unavoidable unless one of them develops a spine like me in the FFXI 75 cap discussions.

    Much better that than us making it biased by actually banning opposing viewpoints.

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    It doesn't count if the opposing viewpoints you keep around are ones that don't even have a passing familiarity with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guartz View Post
    Jfc he was talking about suppressing cheating. Just listen to the speach yourself,


    His thought starts at 16min mark and the boogy woogy suppression word is at 19
    Why can't you talk about it and not just relink to a youtube video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiye View Post
    Why can't you talk about it and not just relink to a youtube video?
    I'm sure he can give you a Twitter or right-wing media link if you prefer that instead. He probably doesn't have his own response because it wasn't told to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    They're being driven out because they can't handle the burden of discussion while being a minority ideology. That's inevitable and unavoidable unless one of them develops a spine like me in the FFXI 75 cap discussions.

    Much better that than us making it biased by actually banning opposing viewpoints.
    To be fair, I'm a hard right conservative who shares your almost exact puritan~esque view of 75 cap era, and its superiority over this current 99 scene.

    I don't post in here because I enjoy watching Guartz do whatever it is he's doing. I do however, look forward to reading this entertaining thread when the orange goof retains office come next November.

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    I'm interested to know where this extreme confidence in Trump getting re-elected comes from.

    I'm not saying he won't, keep in mind, but everyone on the right seems just utterly convinced of its inevitability.

    Republicans have lost hundreds of seats nationwide since he took office, including in deep red, lean red, and purple states.

    His approval rating has never escaped margin of error levels above or below 40%. The people who support him can not have their minds changed but he seems incapable of attracting new fans.

    His only signature legislation, the tax bill, has demonstrably failed to deliver on any of its promises vis a vis the economy or the middle class.

    For all the talk about his electoral landslide (granted only he talks about it) his decisive victories in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were all by 1% or less.

    Is the confidence in the perceived weakness of Democratic candidates (almost all of whom defeat Trump in head to head polling, as meaningless as those might be 10+ months out)? Or that simply "owning the libs" is enough to draw people to the polls? We'd rather win than make a good decision, is that the idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriarch View Post
    I do however, look forward to reading this entertaining thread when the orange goof retains office come next November.
    Why? It will be the same as it has been for the last 3 years if he does. People here do live in reality and understand he does have a good chance of keeping his position. That is mainly thanks to watching people like Guartz defend the false reality that conservatives have created for their people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    I'm interested to know where this extreme confidence in Trump getting re-elected comes from.

    I'm not saying he won't, keep in mind, but everyone on the right seems just utterly convinced of its inevitability.

    Republicans have lost hundreds of seats nationwide since he took office, including in deep red, lean red, and purple states.

    His approval rating has never escaped margin of error levels above or below 40%. The people who support him can not have their minds changed but he seems incapable of attracting new fans.

    His only signature legislation, the tax bill, has demonstrably failed to deliver on any of its promises vis a vis the economy or the middle class.

    For all the talk about his electoral landslide (granted only he talks about it) his decisive victories in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin were all by 1% or less.

    Is the confidence in the perceived weakness of Democratic candidates (almost all of whom defeat Trump in head to head polling, as meaningless as those might be 10+ months out)? Or that simply "owning the libs" is enough to draw people to the polls? We'd rather win than make a good decision, is that the idea?

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    The shortest answer I can think of is look at how dems like ksan viewed the selection of candidates when it was at 20+ and how many people are putting their vote towards Yang in the dem primary simply because of his freedom dividend.

    There's not a lot of faith in the dem party and it's for a good reason.

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    Yeah it is pretty stupid how dems cant find one candidate they like from a field of 20+. Idk what to say to those ppl lol

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    Plenty of people have found candidates they like. Unfortunately they just weren’t the DNCs chosen few.

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    There are people who think Marianne Williamson is the right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    There are people who think Marianne Williamson is the right choice.

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    I legitimately don't think she was the worst choice either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xno Kappa View Post
    Plenty of people have found candidates they like. Unfortunately they just weren’t the DNCs chosen few.
    And even if they made the cut, only one can win and somehow that upsets everyone even though they knew this going in lol

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    Nothing in this world is going to stop my giving Yang my primary vote, but people who won't vote because their candidate didn't get elected are incredibly insufferable.

    I'd vote for Klobuchar or Pete with my teeth clenched so tight I'd probably need dental work after if that is what it takes. Nobody in the dem field right now is worse than Trump.

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    I don't think yanggang will do us dirty like Berniebros did, but Berniebros are still a thing so who knows what theyll do when Biden wins it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xno Kappa View Post
    Plenty of people have found candidates they like. Unfortunately they just weren’t the DNCs chosen few.
    I didn't know the DNC manipulates polls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    I didn't know the DNC manipulates polls...
    The DNC does, arbitrarily and on-the-spot, decide the cut-offs for debates based on polling percentage and donations - including the qualifying windows for which polls are considered for each debate. The length of those windows where polls are considered is completely inconsistent.

    It may not be a conspiracy, but it certainly is arbitrary.

    Amy Klobuchar is in the January debate already.

    Edit: The point of this is to say, the DNC does decide which voices should be featured on the debate stage and which shouldn't at each stage. It would be a circus if there were still 20 on the stage, no doubt, so I'm not saying they don't have the right to do that. All I'm saying is that it is naive to think that the DNC does not exercise their influence. I really think, at the very least, Booker should've been at the last debate as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SathFenrir View Post
    The DNC does, arbitrarily and on-the-spot, decide the cut-offs for debates based on polling percentage and donations - including the qualifying windows for which polls are considered for each debate. The length of those windows where polls are considered is completely inconsistent.

    It may not be a conspiracy, but it certainly is arbitrary.

    Amy Klobuchar is in the January debate already.

    Edit: The point of this is to say, the DNC does decide which voices should be featured on the debate stage and which shouldn't at each stage. It would be a circus if there were still 20 on the stage, no doubt, so I'm not saying they don't have the right to do that. All I'm saying is that it is naive to think that the DNC does not exercise their influence. I really think, at the very least, Booker should've been at the last debate as well.
    Except... at some point you have to start narrowing the field... these people aren't polling bad just recently, but for the entire year... if they arbitrarily chose a period where say Yang's polling dropped 5% to keep him out I could see your argument... but that's not what is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot View Post
    I'm interested to know where this extreme confidence in Trump getting re-elected comes from.
    You don't have to be right-leaning to think this will happen.

    For instance, you could just have faith that the American people will disappoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SathFenrir View Post
    The DNC does, arbitrarily and on-the-spot, decide the cut-offs for debates based on polling percentage and donations - including the qualifying windows for which polls are considered for each debate. The length of those windows where polls are considered is completely inconsistent.
    The percentages are not arbitrary. It goes up exactly 1% each time. It is also true that, historically, no one under 5% at this point in polling has ever gone on to win a nomination.

    The length of windows, I believe, is based on a length of life each poll is given based on when it was taken and how soon it is relative to the next debate (because they are not evenly spaced)

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