Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode X: Purple Raining to Impeachment

[Tyche]

You talking about Benghazi and guns that ended up over the boarder?
Man, I remember those hearings, I remember reading about them. Democrats were never prevented from calling their own witnesses or even questioning witnesses. Schiff is doing that, that's why repubs are so upset. They think this deposition is designed to smear Trump in the media. These are suppose to be behind closed doors, but all these leaks certainly prove that point.

You guys are all hyped up by this, not unlike what happened with Mueller. But there are facts that fundamentally favor Trump. Fact: Ukraine president and Trump both claimed no quid quo pro. Fact: Transcript doesn't show any quid quo pro. (despite theatrics from the dems) Fact: Ukrainians did not know at the time of the call that their funding was on hold. Fact: Ukrainians got their aid, took no action to date to investigate Bidens.
Fact: Whistle blower complaint was based on by more then half dozen officials who were party to the call, so far we have heard from who was actually on the call and one who had direct knowledge - both parties voiced their suspicions and concerns, but non of them offered any substantive proof of quid quo pro. Those 4 facts remain, as far as we know, shit, most of this is behind closed doors. I don't know how people on these forums are so convinced Trump is guilty of this, it's beyond me honestly. edit: I'm lying, it's full on TDS. Like legit grade, seek counseling peeps.

If you want an example of what investigations look like that are not pure smear jobs, look at what Durham is doing. Nary a peep nor a leek, no media smear jobs.

You can't provide proof when there isn't a recording of the call by the United States. Only notes taken, which were compiled into the transcript. Which were then edited according to someone who actually listened to the call and had his notes removed from the transcript. Now that person is actively being smeared in conservative media...because he's the son of immigrants?

And your facts aren't actually facts. The transcript isn't a transcript
see above. Ukraine knew about the aid being withheld.

[guartz]

the impeachment trial hasn't started yet. it won't happen until the house votes for formal articles of impeachment, which will happen when their investigation is over. this is more like a grand jury, where no, the defense doesn't really call witnesses.

the actual trial is in the senate, which is when the white house will have the chance to call witnesses.

i'm pretty sure this has been spelled out explicitly before.

You are correct mostly, but the leaks from the closed doors clearly make it political smear job- and republicans respond politically too, calling it a witch hunt etc. It a muddled truth.

You can make up your mind about it now if you want, it's your prerogative.

a side note:
notice a lot peeps here confuse my dissent as aggression, which is classical partisanship. Guys, if you think i'm hostile, take a look at the mirror and remember the dudes who used to say "OBAMA IS A MOOSLIM" that's you now. Your that guy.

[guartz]

Ukraine knew about the aid being withheld.

big if true

[mallister]

You are correct mostly, but the leaks from the closed doors clearly make it political smear job- and republicans respond politically too, calling it a witch hunt etc. It a muddled truth.

You can make up your mind about it now if you want, it's your prerogative.

a side note:
notice a lot peeps here confuse my dissent as aggression, which is classical partisanship. Guys, if you think i'm hostile, take a look at the mirror and remember the dudes who used to say "OBAMA IS A MOOSLIM" that's you now. Your that guy.

it's not a muddled anything. that's the process. that's how it works. i don't blame the general public for not knowing the process, because it happens so rarely, it's not reasonable to expect everyone to know. republicans pretending like any of this is a surprise is laughable (they themselves changed the rules to allow this process without a full vote a few years ago under boehner), but it does play well to their base and they really don't have any other course but to try to jump up and down and scream about how they've been wronged.

[kuronosan]

Impressive Straw Man.

[Salodin]

You are correct mostly, but the leaks from the closed doors clearly make it political smear job- and republicans respond politically too, calling it a witch hunt etc. It a muddled truth.

You can make up your mind about it now if you want, it's your prerogative.

a side note:
notice a lot peeps here confuse my dissent as aggression, which is classical partisanship. Guys, if you think i'm hostile, take a look at the mirror and remember the dudes who used to say "OBAMA IS A MOOSLIM" that's you now. Your that guy.

Bruh, republicans could leak positive things if they wanted, but they dont, because theres nothing positive for the president in this.

The lack of positive leaks for the potus is not evidence of a smear job, its evidence that this impeachment inquiry is on the money and zeroing in on some crimes. You've yet to address any of the claims made so far through the testimonies presented, and all you do is cry smear job or left bias without addressing any substance. This is why people call you out.

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[Zealot]

Trump knows everything that going on behind closed doors, Pence's brother is one of the Congressmen sitting in.

Republicans put all the hearing rules in place as they are now back in 2015, ahead of the 2016 election... one can only surmise what they were thinking, revising rules they knew would likely be used in the event of impeachment, just as the 2016 election season was kicking off. One can only surmise.

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[Tyche]

big if true

Welcome to a week ago Valisk. You have multiple people testifying under oath, with corroborating texts, that the aid was dangled as bait to assist with a political campaign.

What's the head count now verifying this? Sondland, Taylor, Vindman...missing anyone else?

[kuronosan]

Didn't the PM's aide also confirm shenanigans?

[mallister]

more, um, foreign policy experts for trump are coming out as full of shit.

https://news.yahoo.com/nunes-acolyte...170046146.html

[Eurell]

Yeah but uh. Trump said he didn't do it. Fact!

[kuronosan]

God he really is a fucking nitwit.

[Salodin]

Hey Guartz,

https://twitter.com/politico/status/...310685697?s=09

Republicans have been there the entire time? And Trump has the "perfectly fine" call edited? Will you ever address this? Will you ever engage honestly?

Nope. You will not.

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[Salodin]

John Bolton giving a deposition on 11/7 ahahaha

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[guartz]

nothing to see here, just some counter narrative you guys will ignore in your decision making.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timoth...ampaign=buffer

[kuronosan]

Did... did you even read that?

[Tyche]

nothing to see here, just some counter narrative you guys will ignore in your decision making.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timoth...ampaign=buffer

Similar to how you ignore replies everytime you post something that's immediately shown to be bullshit? Like those "facts" you posted a few days ago?

[Tokitoki]

Does it matter if he was telling their prosecutor general versus the president to investigate? I don't think it matters. Not to mention, he says that after confirming they agreed, Trump felt comfortable enough to release the aid. This shows that he was withholding aid for the purpose of getting an investigation into the Bidens going.

[kuronosan]

Similar to how you ignore replies everytime you post something that's immediately shown to be bullshit? Like those "facts" you posted a few days ago?

"While he did deviate from Taylor on some details, Morrison testified that Sondland told him the President would release the aid if the Ukrainian prosecutor general announced an investigation, according to sources."

Dude literally describes Trump breaking the law and then added that he didn't think he was and didn't feel anything on the phone call was illegal. Like, he doesn't even say the call was accurate. He said it was "a fair representation".

[Fiye]

Is there any reason Guartz hasn't gotten the punt after D44K/Nynja/Day/Milkster have?