Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode X: Purple Raining to Impeachment

[Gadritan]

And no I won't report you for that. Again, because I'm not a coward. I'll face you. And talk. And after you learn a little something and still think I'm a coward, have at it.

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[chazzyphizzle]

fiye and tymon are the resident militant leftists, just ignore them

[Tyrath]

I don't think anyone who still supports Trump is automatically a racist. I do think anyone who still supports Trump is okay with racism in our government as long as they personally might benefit from them.

[Fiye]

fiye and tymon are the resident militant leftists, just ignore them

Nah I'm not a tankie yet.

It's not shouldering off his racism because "I know a black dude that supports him." When someone makes a blanket statement like that and I know people personally who support him that absolutely beyond a doubt are not racist, yes, I'm going to question it. You're making gigantic leaps here.

I'm not sure if you're just angry in general, or you were just hoping some Trump supporter would show up that you could pounce on, but all that other shit you shoved in there? That's not me. That's not implied. That's, well, wrong.

Take a breath and read. Seriously. You're really really really really really reaching hard and trying to infuse things into my points that simply are not there.

I'm sorry I'm not Cichy, but I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not radically left or right. I'm sorry that disappoints you to the point of creating controversy for the sake of it. I'm sorry you feel that if I don't froth at the mouth raging to support or be against one side or the other then I'm just some wishy washy fence rider. But that's just not me brother.

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I feel like you're just looking for a "gotcha!" moment and got blue balls because the conversation was a different conversation than expected.

But don't ever call me a coward again. You don't know me. This time last week I woke up from a surgery that I had a 1 in 5 chance of not waking up from. I have perspective. I am not a coward in any way, shape, or form. If it gets you off to rage out on someone here, have at it.

But until you take a few minutes to actually get to know me and what I stand for, shut the fuck up with personal attacks.

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But see here's the deal. I don't know you. But I've seen enough posts to get a generally good grasp on what people are like politically. Its not a science, its not fool proof, and I get it wrong. But, from what I get about you is that you're in a privileged situation that you don't have to worry about politics. That you're decently well off and the week by week atrocities that Trump performs don't matter to you in any scale.

A really ballsy callout would be me saying you'd vote for a republican and a democrat in the same ticket but I can't make that statement without doubting it the second after I said it.

But *ahem* here's the rub.

All Trump supporters are indifferent to his racism. And indifference to something allows it to propagate. And allowing something to propagate makes you culpable for what it does. And so far you've displayed no willingness to combat people for their support for Trump. Indifference to evil is worse than evil. And all are responsible for it.

[kuronosan]

I don't think anyone who still supports Trump is automatically a racist. I do think anyone who still supports Trump is okay with racism in our government as long as they personally might benefit from them.

This.

[Gadritan]

Nah I'm not a tankie yet.





But see here's the deal. I don't know you. But I've seen enough posts to get a generally good grasp on what people are like politically. Its not a science, its not fool proof, and I get it wrong. But, from what I get about you is that you're in a privileged situation that you don't have to worry about politics. That you're decently well off and the week by week atrocities that Trump performs don't matter to you in any scale.

A really ballsy callout would be me saying you'd vote for a republican and a democrat in the same ticket but I can't make that statement without doubting it the second after I said it.

But *ahem* here's the rub.

All Trump supporters are indifferent to his racism. And indifference to something allows it to propagate. And allowing something to propagate makes you culpable for what it does. And so far you've displayed no willingness to combat people for their support for Trump. Indifference to evil is worse than evil. And all are responsible for it.

It's literally been years since I posted anything touching on politics. I don't see how you could draw any conclusions.

That also has no bearing on calling me a coward. There was nothing political about that. That was straight up personal and had no reason to be thrown out there. I wasn't "running," from the conversation.

Now, as far as my privileged situation. Yes, I'm doing quite well, now. I worked my ass off to get where I am. My background is extremely complicated. My family went from living in Boca Raton with my dad clearing $200k a year to making the decision week to week of "food or lights." That, I feel, gives me a very unique perspective. I also have a very mixed family ancestry and family. I'm the lightest skinned person in my family, so I'm typically viewed as just another white boy. The rest of my family has had to deal with some pretty disgusting racism moments living in NC that I've been witness to, but not directed towards me.

I can't see how that would make me exempt to Trump's actions "on any scale." That's a very ignorant statement as every single person in this country regardless of status is impacted to varying degrees whether they're aware or not.

Saying someone would vote Republican and Democrat on the same ticket is ballsy hurts my brain and is precisely what I was referring to in previous post. Yes, I have and do. Someone's party affiliation does not dictate whether they're the right person for the job or not. That's why I'm so jaded by it. The stance of left or right is precisely why we can not evolve as a country. Those who take it to that extreme are absolutely as much a part of the problem as anything else. There are great candidates on both sides every election. Why willingly disregard half of them because of their affiliation? It's astounding this is still a thing. Trump is such a divisive little fucker he's pushing us even harder into it, and that's just one more of the reasons I hate the man.

Where are you drawing your conclusion that I display no willingness to combat people for their support of Trump? Because I don't jump in on the circle jerk of people bashing anyone pro Trump on here? It's covered. Really, it is. Sorry I don't just jump in and scream coward to all of them, but honestly why do I need to when we have so many ready and willing? To prove something to you? To prove it to other posters?

I want to talk to these people. I want to try to understand their logic. You can not change someone's mind by simply telling them they're a fucking retard or coward or just try to bash the fuck out of any of their statements without having an honest conversation. That's mostly what happens here. Not conversation, but more "ha look at this little fickwit you're a fucking moron."

Granted, it's difficult because most pro Trump posters don't engage with anyone on here anymore for that very reason. They were pushed out. They may lurk, but they know it's pointless to try to have any real talking points because the army is gonna come in and nuke ya before there's any real discussion.

So let me take you back to the Trump election. I voted for him. I was a supporter. Why? Ignorance. I have to admit my faults, and that was 100% it. I flat out didn't do my homework and got so sick of Democrats I know laughing at the election like it was a slam dunk that part of me wanted to give them the finger, not truly grasping the impact of that decision. Plus my distaste for the entire bi-partisan system made me want to shake it up. I figured (much like my co-worker) "meh, he's kind of a scumbag, but all of Washington is. He could probably do a great job with the economy at the very least." A VERY ignorant stance I know. But I can not change the past. I can only do what I can to create a better future. That's a very simplified version of events for me.

Historically I've voted both ways. I really don't care what someone's affiliation is, with the exception of how it would shift power overall. I'm stuck with a flawed system I despise, so I'm making the best of it.

Probably missed a few things, but fire away any questions if you want clarification on anything.

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[Mertron]

Jesus fucking christ your post is a fucking doozy

If you cannot get into a conversation about the positive effect he's had on the economy then he hasn't. Its a bunged up talking point that's propped up by a combination of Obama era policies and the fact that the corporate tax rate is at the lowest point they've ever been. Its demonstratably false and at best questionable if even the president has an effect on US economics. I can link twitter posts to Trump hating on Obama era growth rates and praising his own growth rates when they're the fucking same number.



What does this statement prove? What are you trying to demonstrate here? I don't know your personal acknowledgement to be aware that there are black people who like Trump when I can see people online of various ethnicity doing the same thing. You're trying to shoulder off his racism by essentially saying 'He's not racist some black person I know supports him!'. It doesn't change what the HUD is doing to PoC and LGBT (Especially the T) folk. It doesn't change the immigration policies being set by known white supremacist Stephen Miller.

You're just side stepping the issue when pressed on it. And its why I'm fucking irate with you.



And the reality is if I had stayed in the military I would have taken the Obama era offer to go through with getting diagnosed with gender dysphoria if diagnosed I would've started transitioning. And if I had done such a thing I would have been in fear of whether or not I would get a notice from whatever command that I was at that my enlisted contract would be null and voided because of some dipshit's policy. That every month I would have to worry that I would have to immediately start job seeking and hope that I could find employment in the Hampton Roads, VA area as someone who was at some stage of the transition period that would cover my medical expenses (That would have previously been covered by Tricare/The Military).

There is no logic in this. There is no definitive proof that the jobs are staying in America because of Trump (I can show you where the tax break money from 2017 is going to. Hint: Stock Buybacks).

Maybe its because I've been online and fucking had my face pressed against this shit for the last 4 to 5 years but this shit would have fucking mentally and physically destroyed me if I had stayed in the military. Luckily I got out.

But I know people who didn't get out and still have time left to serve. And once its done they're going to leave.

Gotta wait for the rolls to finish.

Anyway, you're lacking context here.

It's not that I cannot get into a conversation, it's that I have not had the opportunity to. Two radically different things here.

It's not shouldering off his racism because "I know a black dude that supports him." When someone makes a blanket statement like that and I know people personally who support him that absolutely beyond a doubt are not racist, yes, I'm going to question it. You're making gigantic leaps here.

I'm not sure if you're just angry in general, or you were just hoping some Trump supporter would show up that you could pounce on, but all that other shit you shoved in there? That's not me. That's not implied. That's, well, wrong.

Take a breath and read. Seriously. You're really really really really really reaching hard and trying to infuse things into my points that simply are not there.

I'm sorry I'm not Cichy, but I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not radically left or right. I'm sorry that disappoints you to the point of creating controversy for the sake of it. I'm sorry you feel that if I don't froth at the mouth raging to support or be against one side or the other then I'm just some wishy washy fence rider. But that's just not me brother.

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Nah I'm not a tankie yet.





But see here's the deal. I don't know you. But I've seen enough posts to get a generally good grasp on what people are like politically. Its not a science, its not fool proof, and I get it wrong. But, from what I get about you is that you're in a privileged situation that you don't have to worry about politics. That you're decently well off and the week by week atrocities that Trump performs don't matter to you in any scale.

A really ballsy callout would be me saying you'd vote for a republican and a democrat in the same ticket but I can't make that statement without doubting it the second after I said it.

But *ahem* here's the rub.

All Trump supporters are indifferent to his racism. And indifference to something allows it to propagate. And allowing something to propagate makes you culpable for what it does. And so far you've displayed no willingness to combat people for their support for Trump. Indifference to evil is worse than evil. And all are responsible for it.

It's literally been years since I posted anything touching on politics. I don't see how you could draw any conclusions.

That also has no bearing on calling me a coward. There was nothing political about that. That was straight up personal and had no reason to be thrown out there. I wasn't "running," from the conversation.

Now, as far as my privileged situation. Yes, I'm doing quite well, now. I worked my ass off to get where I am. My background is extremely complicated. My family went from living in Boca Raton with my dad clearing $200k a year to making the decision week to week of "food or lights." That, I feel, gives me a very unique perspective. I also have a very mixed family ancestry and family. I'm the lightest skinned person in my family, so I'm typically viewed as just another white boy. The rest of my family has had to deal with some pretty disgusting racism moments living in NC that I've been witness to, but not directed towards me.

I can't see how that would make me exempt to Trump's actions "on any scale." That's a very ignorant statement as every single person in this country regardless of status is impacted to varying degrees whether they're aware or not.

Saying someone would vote Republican and Democrat on the same ticket is ballsy hurts my brain and is precisely what I was referring to in previous post. Yes, I have and do. Someone's party affiliation does not dictate whether they're the right person for the job or not. That's why I'm so jaded by it. The stance of left or right is precisely why we can not evolve as a country. Those who take it to that extreme are absolutely as much a part of the problem as anything else. There are great candidates on both sides every election. Why willingly disregard half of them because of their affiliation? It's astounding this is still a thing. Trump is such a divisive little fucker he's pushing us even harder into it, and that's just one more of the reasons I hate the man.

Where are you drawing your conclusion that I display no willingness to combat people for their support of Trump? Because I don't jump in on the circle jerk of people bashing anyone pro Trump on here? It's covered. Really, it is. Sorry I don't just jump in and scream coward to all of them, but honestly why do I need to when we have so many ready and willing? To prove something to you? To prove it to other posters?

I want to talk to these people. I want to try to understand their logic. You can not change someone's mind by simply telling them they're a fucking retard or coward or just try to bash the fuck out of any of their statements without having an honest conversation. That's mostly what happens here. Not conversation, but more "ha look at this little fickwit you're a fucking moron."

Granted, it's difficult because most pro Trump posters don't engage with anyone on here anymore for that very reason. They were pushed out. They may lurk, but they know it's pointless to try to have any real talking points because the army is gonna come in and nuke ya before there's any real discussion.

So let me take you back to the Trump election. I voted for him. I was a supporter. Why? Ignorance. I have to admit my faults, and that was 100% it. I flat out didn't do my homework and got so sick of Democrats I know laughing at the election like it was a slam dunk that part of me wanted to give them the finger, not truly grasping the impact of that decision. Plus my distaste for the entire bi-partisan system made me want to shake it up. I figured (much like my co-worker) "meh, he's kind of a scumbag, but all of Washington is. He could probably do a great job with the economy at the very least." A VERY ignorant stance I know. But I can not change the past. I can only do what I can to create a better future. That's a very simplified version of events for me.

Historically I've voted both ways. I really don't care what someone's affiliation is, with the exception of how it would shift power overall. I'm stuck with a flawed system I despise, so I'm making the best of it.

Probably missed a few things, but fire away any questions if you want clarification on anything.

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i now have the record for longest quote chain, suck it

[archibaldcrane]

If Trump was David Duke, I don't think people would debate whether his supporters are racist for supporting him. David Duke is to racism as Roy Moore is to pedophilia.

Instead of being David Duke, it is Donald Trump. Trump has done more for white nationalism than Duke could have dreamed of doing in a hundred lifetimes.

Nah

Trump is to racism what Roy Moore is to pedophilia.

David Duke is to racism what Jerry Sandusky is to pedophilia.

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[BerenTebogo]

This is an unusually big yikes, even for YCS

[Salodin]

What the fuck happened in here

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[Salodin]

Gadritan came to the potus thread to turn it into a live journal, and fiye is pissed cause he didnt get free transition money from obama

Guess I'm all caught up

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[Gadritan]

Gadritan came to the potus thread to turn it into a live journal, and fiye is pissed cause he didnt get free transition money from obama

Guess I'm all caught up

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Drinking some ginger ale atm chilling with my dog. Up next, poop time. Stay tuned

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[Zealot]

I like the cut of your jib, Gadritan.

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[BerenTebogo]

I like the cut of his hair

[Gredival]

I don't think anyone who still supports Trump is automatically a racist. I do think anyone who still supports Trump is okay with racism in our government as long as they personally might benefit from them.

I don't think the line is even that. All it takes is not caring about others with whom you do not identify.

Blue collar Trump voters are just the same demographics as the Democrats who voted Reagan in the 80s. They are convinced that when push comes to shove Trump will help them more than the other side will, regardless of who Trump screws over (Muslims and Mexicans) in the meantime.

That's more important than the Democrat message of justice. The Democrats aren't appealing enough to people's inherent tribalistic selfishness.

[kuronosan]

Yes, and the unfortunate thing is younger people are beginning to become the majority and so are people who are sick of that intrinsic selfishness.

[Ksandra]

I don't think anyone who still supports Trump is automatically a racist. I do think anyone who still supports Trump is okay with racism in our government as long as they personally might benefit from them.

I would add that it is more on the lines of priorities.


People may not like his racist policies, but it is a lower level of importance than something like abortion. You may not like that they put that at a lower level, but I wouldn't say that makes them racist. (Keep in mind many women and minorities are pro-life, too, and that may be why they side with Trump.)


It's funny because we just had Salodin a few pages back pointing out you can never find a candidate that gives you 100% what you want for the dems, and now you have fiye thinking if someone supports Trump that means they support 100% of his policies.

[mallister]

guys, there's a difference in not letting perfect be the enemy of good, and voting for donald trump.

[kuronosan]

Errr, if suppression of the poor, minorities, or LGTBQ population is lower priority than your own shit you are actively going against your own interest almost 100% of the time considering the GOP have done literally nothing to enrich their voters beyond a promise.

"Fuck you I got mine" is a selfish, archaic attitude to have in today's world.

[Gadritan]

"Fuck you I got mine" is a selfish, archaic attitude to have in today's world.

Um. Hate to break it to you, but it's still the gold standard.

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