Predisent Donald J. Skroob: Episode X: Purple Raining to Impeachment

[guartz]

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/mi...ission-3354046


thanks, I rest my case.

[kuronosan]

Okay, not really sure what your case was.

[Gadritan]

Depression is an auto nope from the military. At least on paper it is.

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[Fiye]

Depression is an auto nope from the military. At least on paper it is.

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In the nuclear navy we called this sadding out and I know a few people who did it.

[Gadritan]

It seems to me that we were getting things mixed up here.

I'm sure a large percentage of soldiers would say they're depressed if given a survey.

But going through a period of depression is significantly different from clinical depression.

Everyone gets depressed. Not everyone is clinically depressed.

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[Fiye]

Well, how about:

1) Will trans people be housed with biological equivalent or their reassigned gender counter-parts? How do you accommodate, if say biological females don't want to share bathrooms with biological males?
2) Will physical fitness standards apply to biological sex or reassigned sex? Is that even fair?
3) Combat Readiness, military recruits young people because they are healthy and not dependent on drugs.
4) Military service isn't a right, people born with low IQ are excluded from service.
5) Why burden the military with all these administrative encumbrances to accommodate a small fraction of a population.

Its like when the policy was rolled out in 2016 they had answers to all these questions.

1) They share the same berthing space as their biological components and are mostly told to deal with it. The only exception comes with piss testing which someone who's uncomfortable with seeing a trans woman piss into a bottle can request not to and they'll find someone willing.
2) Fitness standards getting applied to whatever gender marker their documentation is. The process to getting this done requires you have done lived in experiences (present yourself as your gender identity for some time and have been on HRT so this is more than fair if you have any knowledge of what HRT does.
3) Transgender people are more than physically ready and able to do the job.
4) IQ testing isn't a part of the military service and this talking point has no relevance to discussion on transgender people. The obama era policy that would have been adopted would have still had the trans woman meet the same requirements a woman would have met during MEPS and would ensure they can arrive to basic and do most things.
5) The military literally has Rates and MOSes to deal with administrative bullshit. Administrative bullshit is built into the core the military LOL.

Anyway I highly recommend looking for reading material about this from 2016. (2017 is when the policy was changed by trump and I may or may not dig up posts I made from back then when this shit got dragged up).

https://dod.defense.gov/Portals/1/fe...Fact-Sheet.pdf

Edit: Okay here's all the good DoD shit you should probably read up on.

https://dod.defense.gov/News/Special...olicy-archive/

[Salodin]

I remember reading an article a number of years ago about the liabilities presented to the military by trans service members and it listed many of the reasons presented here

No one has listed any reasons in here other than it's hard and inconvenient lol

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[kuronosan]

It seems to me that we were getting things mixed up here.

I'm sure a large percentage of soldiers would say they're depressed if given a survey.

But going through a period of depression is significantly different from clinical depression.

Everyone gets depressed. Not everyone is clinically depressed.

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Please explain this more to me. I'm unfamiliar with how depression works.

[guartz]

No one has listed any reasons in here other than it's hard and inconvenient lol

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You mean except me?

[Salodin]

Unless I missed your post, the only objections you raised were, you cant figure out the bathroom situation, and some people might not want to serve with a trans person. The bathroom situation is solved, and the soldier should just deal with it like soldiers dealed with desegregation.

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[kuronosan]

I mean he did raise some valid points but I feel those were largely addressed.

[Salodin]

I must have missed the valid point

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[Xno Kappa]

Gadri could be black himself. YCS would just call him an Uncle Tom anyways lol.

[Salodin]

Valid point, not "some people dont want to work with trans"

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[Salodin]

Gadri could be black himself. YCS would just call him an Uncle Tom anyways lol.

This doesnt count and you know it!

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[kuronosan]

Valid point, not "some people dont want to work with trans"

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Logistical hurdles with how to deal with the inevitable conflict arising from integration, which Gred addressed.

[Salodin]

But...they were already integrated before the ban...like fiye laid out...

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[Fiye]

Valid point, not "some people dont want to work with trans"

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My favorite thing to this day is the repeal of DADT. Because I was in a training command at the time so they waited forever before getting to us but one of the things that was on the .PPT that the navy was proud as hell to say was that nothing changed.

https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=62830

While the primary focus of repeal has been on changes in the law, some of the most important aspects can be found in what will remain the same. For instance, sexual orientation will continue to be a personal and private matter. Current and future Sailors will not be asked, nor be required to reveal, their sexual orientation.

Standards of conduct remain unchanged. Existing Navy standards of conduct will continue to apply to all Sailors regardless of sexual orientation. Enforcement of standards, including those related to public displays of affection, dress and appearance, and fraternization will be sexual orientation neutral. All members are responsible for upholding and maintaining the high standards of the U.S. Navy at all times and in all places.

And some of you have the gall to present the same dumb arguments I heard in 2010 in regards to not letting gay/lesbians serve in the military.

[guartz]

Unless I missed your post, the only objections you raised were, you cant figure out the bathroom situation, and some people might not want to serve with a trans person. The bathroom situation is solved, and the soldier should just deal with it like soldiers dealed with desegregation.

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Well, kuronosan linked studies that suggest that transgender people should seek medical attention in the form of therapy, anti-depression and anti-anxiety medication and with that the risk of suicide is significantly reduced.

"Mood disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, psychoses, and other unspecified depressive issues are disqualifying. Any history of mood disorders requiring medication and/or outpatient care for longer than six months by a mental health professional is also disqualifying. Also, any symptoms of mood and mental issues that affect social ability, school, and learning, or work efficiency are disqualifying. This one is serious and unlikely to be eligible for the waiver process for acceptance into the military."

It signifies valid medical reason, at least to me, a layman, as to why people dealing with transitions or post transitions shouldn't subject themselves to military. Practically it makes sense too, combat can make otherwise healthy individuals into a mess.

[Salodin]

Well, kuronosan linked studies that suggest that transgender people should seek medical attention in the form of therapy, anti-depression and anti-anxiety medication and with that the risk of suicide is significantly reduced.

"Mood disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, psychoses, and other unspecified depressive issues are disqualifying. Any history of mood disorders requiring medication and/or outpatient care for longer than six months by a mental health professional is also disqualifying. Also, any symptoms of mood and mental issues that affect social ability, school, and learning, or work efficiency are disqualifying. This one is serious and unlikely to be eligible for the waiver process for acceptance into the military."

It signifies valid medical reason, at least to me, a layman, as to why people dealing with transitions or post transitions shouldn't subject themselves to military. Practically it makes sense too, combat can make otherwise healthy individuals into a mess.

While trans people might be more disposed to be depressed, there is no medical evidence that suggests they're ALL depressed. And at the time of enlistment, if they are not depressed, using the excuse "well they might become depressed" is a piss poor excuse to deny enlistment.

Nevermind that enlisting in your countries military and proudly serving might also make it less likely that trans person becomes depressed. Just like all meaningful work makes people less likely to be depressed.

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