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    Quote Originally Posted by guartz View Post
    Well, kuronosan linked studies that suggest that transgender people should seek medical attention in the form of therapy, anti-depression and anti-anxiety medication and with that the risk of suicide is significantly reduced.

    "Mood disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, psychoses, and other unspecified depressive issues are disqualifying. Any history of mood disorders requiring medication and/or outpatient care for longer than six months by a mental health professional is also disqualifying. Also, any symptoms of mood and mental issues that affect social ability, school, and learning, or work efficiency are disqualifying. This one is serious and unlikely to be eligible for the waiver process for acceptance into the military."

    It signifies valid medical reason, at least to me, a layman, as to why people dealing with transitions or post transitions shouldn't subject themselves to military. Practically it makes sense too, combat can make otherwise healthy individuals into a mess.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

    Key Findings
    There Are an Estimated 1,320–6,630 Transgender Service Members in the Active Component, but Not All Will Seek Gender Transition–Related Treatment
    It is difficult to estimate the number of transgender personnel in the military due to current policies and a lack of empirical data. Applying a range of prevalence estimates, combining data from multiple surveys, and adjusting for the male/female distribution in the military provided a midrange estimate of around 2,450 transgender personnel in the active component (out of a total number of approximately 1.3 million active-component service members) and 1,510 in the Selected Reserve.

    Only a subset will seek gender transition–related treatment. Estimates derived from survey data and private health insurance claims data indicate that, each year, between 29 and 129 service members in the active component will seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

    The Costs of Gender Transition–Related Health Care Treatment Are Relatively Low
    Using private health insurance claims data to estimate the cost of extending gender transition–related health care coverage to transgender personnel indicated that active-component health care costs would increase by between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually, representing a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.
    Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

    Previous Integration Efforts and the Experiences of Foreign Militaries Indicate a Minimal Likely Impact on Force Readiness
    The limited research on the effects of foreign military policies indicates little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness. Commanders noted that the policies had benefits for all service members by creating a more inclusive and diverse force.
    Policy changes to open more roles to women and to allow gay and lesbian personnel to serve openly in the U.S. military have similarly had no significant effect on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness.

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    Stop talking out of your fucking ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by guartz View Post
    Well, kuronosan linked studies that suggest that transgender people should seek medical attention in the form of therapy, anti-depression and anti-anxiety medication and with that the risk of suicide is significantly reduced.

    "Mood disorders such as depression, bipolar disorder, psychoses, and other unspecified depressive issues are disqualifying. Any history of mood disorders requiring medication and/or outpatient care for longer than six months by a mental health professional is also disqualifying. Also, any symptoms of mood and mental issues that affect social ability, school, and learning, or work efficiency are disqualifying. This one is serious and unlikely to be eligible for the waiver process for acceptance into the military."

    It signifies valid medical reason, at least to me, a layman, as to why people dealing with transitions or post transitions shouldn't subject themselves to military. Practically it makes sense too, combat can make otherwise healthy individuals into a mess.
    Your head is in the right place, but you're still mistaken.

    White folks are at an increased risk for developing malaria but we don't prohibit them from going to Africa.

    Women are at higher risk for attempting suicide but they are allowed to serve.

    Statistics only serve as possible predictors, they are not 100% certainties.

    As a provider I would worry about the mental health of a transgender soldier, but I wouldn't prevent a healthy one from serving just because of risk.

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    I love that guartz is back in full force now that the topic as moved on to things he has talking points for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabby View Post
    I love that guartz is back in full force now that the topic as moved on to things he has talking points for.
    Its almost like the DoD spent a year researching this only for it to get overturned by a fucking tweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabby View Post
    I love that guartz is back in full force now that the topic as moved on to things he has talking points for.
    I didn't bring up this topic.

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    Dysphoria is not a mood disorder, so why are we even talking about this? DSM made it very clear that they're removing the word disorder from it completely. Dysphoria alone is not a reason to be disqualifying by any current psychiatric standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guartz View Post
    I didn't bring up this topic.
    No, the point was you didn't come back until this topic started. I really want to hear your thoughts on the testimonies last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabby View Post
    No, the point was you didn't come back until this topic started. I really want to hear your thoughts on the testimonies last week.
    NO YOU DONT STOP THIS MADNESS

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    Fight fire with fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Please explain this more to me. I'm unfamiliar with how depression works.
    Not a doctor, so here.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...n/faq-20057770

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    Well, I am. I was being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadritan View Post
    Not a doctor, so here.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...n/faq-20057770

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Well, I am. I was being sarcastic.
    I chuckled hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Well, I am. I was being sarcastic.
    Admit it... one of the reasons you became one is to be able to say something like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuronosan View Post
    Well, I am. I was being sarcastic.
    Advanced shitposting

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    Honestly, I meant no disrespect. In the context of depression we're not talking about "oh I was briefly sad" and there are large swaths of people who are actually depressed and do not get treatment (for many reasons).

    Drawing a line on what does or doesn't constitute depression you care about is obtuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabby View Post
    No, the point was you didn't come back until this topic started. I really want to hear your thoughts on the testimonies last week.
    That's not true either.

    As far as my thoughts, this pic summarizes it pretty well


    In related news:

    approval for impeachment tanks with independent voters.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...g-independents

    republicans have ..3? investigations of their own going
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hor...probe-document
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...justice-000296
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...outputType=amp

    fakes news is getting sued from like every corner
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-over-vienna-/
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...nst-washington
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rachel-...famation-case/

    Moderate house democrats are complaining about impeachment
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/17/j...d-impeachment/

    possible criminality about 2018 elections and finance fraud
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...midterm-071725

    Obama is now a conservative.
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/washin...a_conservative

    Trump keeps shattering fund raising records and DNC is broke
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ocratic-debate

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    I miss the good ol' days when our biggest worry was if the president lied about getting a piece of ass in the white house.

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    Bring back Slick Willy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadritan View Post
    Bring back Slick Willy!

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    Ah at least we knew who his whistle blower was.

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