As a Bengals fan, I do miss when Jay Gruden was our OC...
I think he will be fine.
As a Bengals fan, I do miss when Jay Gruden was our OC...
I think he will be fine.
Eli Manning to hold a press conference on Friday reportedly to announce his retirement.
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Sending that to literally everybody. Fucking ROFL.
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He's the opposite of a victim of circumstance. His durability is probably his most impressive skill.
I'd love him too if my team won SBs with him but only his longevity is really notable.
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joe retired before we were born. dude has more picks than tds. that shit aint modern
Modern era. Super bowl era. Same difference.
idk how you deny him when his longevity gave him #7 all time numbers in all the counting stats and he led his team to two rings against the greatest dynasty / player / coach of all time
also his mediocrity during the regular season was often because the Giants put dogshit around him (especially during the second half of his career). he got them wildcard rings they shouldn't have had a prayer at.
That's why I'm saying his durability was his most impressive skill. But that doesn't make a hall of famer to me. I don't think Frank Gore should be in the hall either even though he has great counting stats
Consistent and long term mediocrity (granted sometimes better than average, but sometimes worse) should not be enough to make the Hall IMO
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anyone that has never been a first or second team all pro in their entire career shouldn't be in the hall of fame. thats how i see it. it quite literally means you've never been top 3 in your position ever
i don't disagree with either of you gentlemen in that counting stats are not enough by themselves, and passing stats are inflated in the modern era
but Frank Gore Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford don't have 2 Super Bowl MVPs against the greatest dynasty of all time capping off dual 4-0 postseasons between them
Fair. But Eli's playoff stats aren't appreciably better than the regular season and I think more credit is due the Giants defense in the 18-0 pats season. I don't remember too much from that other SB aside from Welker's drop
Fwiw I don't think it's a disgrace to put him in the Hall or anything, just don't think he should be in personally
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carson palmer would be a disgrace. eli is that borderline dude that 50% of people think he is and 50% dont.