SPOILERS Final Fantasy 7 Remake SPOILER THREAD - CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT

[BerenTebogo]

But now that I say that, the existence of another Stamp means that there exist SOME differences between whatever timeline that was and this timeline, even if subtle. But we have no way of knowing to what extent the dementors allow differences in the timeline before they step in and start touching people inappropriately.

[Prothescar]

The best way to explain it is, "it's all just a shitload of fuck"

[Tyrath]

Maybe Zack brought Cloud to Midgar to heal up and then went off on an adventure we'll see in another spin off.

[Salodin]

Its also possible that the act of destroying the whispers erased that future entirely, and now we're walking down a new, virgin timeline in a universe with only one strand of time.

If any of that makes sense lol.

Really, the "shocking" part here is that all the little changes we've seen all game werent just little additions to flesh out this title, it was all alternate timeline shit starting to react with the world. I thought it was a pretty good twist, but with so little explained in game and no info on the sequel, really anything is possible at this point.

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[Salodin]

Barrett taking that sword in the heart wow though def didn't see that one coming

Only cause I didn't see that trailer thank God lol who thought that was a good idea?

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[BerenTebogo]

But it was entirely pointless he wasn’t even dead 2 minutes.

My problem is that none of this makes any sense. There should be SOMETHING solid about what they are planning to do. I think it is sloppy writing and segmenting. This isn’t so much of a cliffhanger as it is a lame attempt to make it spoopy and mysterious for the sake of making it spoopy and mysterious.

Also we legit did not need OWA fight here. Sephiroth being the big bad here is not well-motivated at all to anyone who did not play the original.

[Koyangi]

Maybe Zack brought Cloud to Midgar to heal up and then went off on an adventure we'll see in another spin off.

In Crisis Core he definitely dies, are you saying that in this altered timeline him bringing Cloud to Midgar didn't involve him already having been mortally wounded?

[Tyrath]

In Crisis Core he definitely dies, are you saying that in this altered timeline him bringing Cloud to Midgar didn't involve him already having been mortally wounded?

Yes. Because the way that scene played out seems different and Zack "won" and didn't seem anywhere close to as hurt as he was in Crisis Core.

[Tyrath]

But it was entirely pointless he wasn’t even dead 2 minutes.

I don't think it's pointless because it showed that Whispers actively working against things that didn't happen in the original.

[Koyangi]

If anything, for better or for worse, Cloud's character was extremely heavily built on him taking over Zach's life as much as possible. If Zach's storyline is already changed more than we already know, I wonder how they will develop Cloud's character and his past in part 2.

[Prothescar]

Unlikely to change whatsoever since I fail to see how the events on the separate timeline would affect the events in the one our characters are on. At most I'd expect some interlocking shenanigans but nothing that drastically affects Cloud's character until it's supposed to.

[Tyrath]

To further back that up. The Arbiter of Fate's battle intel and stuff seemed to me to suggest that if they were defeated in the current timeline they would be defeated all over time. And the whispers during Zack's fight disappeared after the team beat the Arbiter of Fate.

[Koyangi]

This already has the potential to get way out of hand fast. They will get mad props though if they can pull this off when all is said and done. The last time we had a great time-travely series of games was Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, as this plot device is generally difficult to use well.

[Prothescar]

To me it seems the developers have gone to great lengths to ensure that discerning players are capable of noticing that we're dealing with two separate worlds with two separate sets of events.

If you saw Aerith's Resolution event in the garden, then you'll know that they really, really hammer in the fact that she knows and believes that a lot of the love Cloud may have for her is influenced by Zack's imprint on his psyche. In this way they've expressly locked in that our Cloud is the influenced Zack Cloud.

In the final cutscene, the main hint that we're dealing with two separate time lines is the extremely convenient plot flavored chip bag. Stamp is an entirely different breed of dog in both timelines. A subtle but absolute hint that these are two completely different storylines that will play out in tandem. How or if we get to view Zack's world, though, we can't say until part 2 and beyond. Knowing SE it was just a massive in your face way of showing us how powerful what we just did really was and they'll never mention Zack surviving elsewhere ever again.

[Salodin]

How is it worthless if you just played an entire game of the beginning to FF7? Lmao

The entire opening of the game, up until the plate dropping, is almost identical plot wise. That's when big changes start happening and things diverge, but the game changing the timeline and events yet to happen doesn't take away from the game it is. Barretts death isn't shocking cause its permanent, its not, its the first moment where you go "man they sure are taking some liberties with the original material" to "oh holy shit no this is something new".

That "new" now gets to play out in sequels now that we spent ch18 giving ourselves a plot device to do so.

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[AoE]

So the purpose of the arbiters of fate is to manage the original timeline and a lot of it makes more sense than a lot of you are giving the proper amount of thought to. I'm not saying it's DONE well but it does make sense if you compare it to all the instances the timeline diverted from the original timeline.

When they first appeared in the beginning with Aerith, they swarmed her because she was supposed to run away BEFORE the Shinra came to stop Cloud.

When they came before the second mission, they came because Jessie and Wedge going would've meant Cloud didn't go. if Cloud didn't go, Cloud wouldn't have met Aerith when he was supposed to and the story arc would've been completely broken.

In the law of JP storytelling, if you don't see the character physically die, he's not dead. When I saw the rubble fall from the top, I wasn't convinced Wedge died because he didn't die that way in the original. He was supposed to die when he fell from the tower. He's probably not dead at Shinra tower either. Currently we have no info on Biggs living but we don't even know if we're dealing with parallel timelines or not right now so any theory is plausible until proven otherwise.

I dunno how Barrett getting revived doesn't make sense. Dude wasn't supposed to die in the first place and the arbiter came to fix that because it wasn't his time. I half feel that some people wanted him to die for some unknown reason which would've been shitty for the plot point of the arbiters trying to maintain the timeline. Not to mention we would've lost that one story arc with him and Dyne which isn't necessarily important to the story plot but important to understanding who Barrett and Marlene are.

One of the post-game theories I've read is that the game will PROBABLY follow the same general story arc with the ability to change what happens in the end. Is there a chance that Aerith may live? Yes. However if Aerith lives, Sephiroth wins and a lot of people forget that fact. Aerith plays a significant part of the party's success despite being physically deceased especially when Cloud falls into the lifestream again. Zack living could fuck with Aerith not dying since they were basically lovers in the past. That's actually bad for the timeline.

There's a fuckton of backstory that this game has that people aren't referencing because they don't realize that this iteration of the game is probably including lore from all the side games as well and not just the main game itself.

[BerenTebogo]

Idk I kinda thought they were taking liberties when in chapter 3 there was a literal hurricane of dementors outside of 7th heaven and when I met Aeris there were dementors saving her from falling off the balcony.

[Prothescar]

Definitely already a shitload of divergent events related to the Whispers. Barret's death was for shock value which was completely erased in a couple minutes when he was revived without a scratch. Nothing more, nothing less. it was already clearly exhibited that the Whispers had absolute physical control over anything they wanted excluding Sephiroth (who I have my own theories about). Killing off Barret for 120 seconds didn't further the plot device any further, and had far less of an impact on just how great the scope of the Whispers' power was compared to shrouding the entirety of Midgar in a dome of phantoms and having a paracausal reality ripped open to fight against the arbiter of fate itself.

[BerenTebogo]

So the purpose of the arbiters of fate is to manage the original timeline and a lot of it makes more sense than a lot of you are giving the proper amount of thought to. I'm not saying it's DONE well but it does make sense if you compare it to all the instances the timeline diverted from the original timeline.

When they first appeared in the beginning with Aerith, they swarmed her because she was supposed to run away BEFORE the Shinra came to stop Cloud.

When they came before the second mission, they came because Jessie and Wedge going would've meant Cloud didn't go. if Cloud didn't go, Cloud wouldn't have met Aerith when he was supposed to and the story arc would've been completely broken.

In the law of JP storytelling, if you don't see the character physically die, he's not dead. When I saw the rubble fall from the top, I wasn't convinced Wedge died because he didn't die that way in the original. He was supposed to die when he fell from the tower. He's probably not dead at Shinra tower either. Currently we have no info on Biggs living but we don't even know if we're dealing with parallel timelines or not right now so any theory is plausible until proven otherwise.

I dunno how Barrett getting revived doesn't make sense. Dude wasn't supposed to die in the first place and the arbiter came to fix that because it wasn't his time. I half feel that some people wanted him to die for some unknown reason which would've been shitty for the plot point of the arbiters trying to maintain the timeline. Not to mention we would've lost that one story arc with him and Dyne which isn't necessarily important to the story plot but important to understanding who Barrett and Marlene are.

One of the post-game theories I've read is that the game will PROBABLY follow the same general story arc with the ability to change what happens in the end. Is there a chance that Aerith may live? Yes. However if Aerith lives, Sephiroth wins and a lot of people forget that fact. Aerith plays a significant part of the party's success despite being physically deceased especially when Cloud falls into the lifestream again. Zack living could fuck with Aerith not dying since they were basically lovers in the past. That's actually bad for the timeline.

There's a fuckton of backstory that this game has that people aren't referencing because they don't realize that this iteration of the game is probably including lore from all the side games as well and not just the main game itself.

You know that like half the discussion on this page is about crisis core right? Idk where you are getting that people aren’t including side lore.

[AoE]

I just wanted to post something, man.