Random Thoughts

[Zealot]

Why? Because she's not sexy or super strong or a martial arts badass?

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[Zealot]

Also some woman is having loud sex somewhere near my apartment, I'm 100% sure of that but can't tell if it's being filmed or not. This started about 2 hours ago.

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[Rhyis.]

the space pirate always wins 'cause they're a space pirate

[Koyangi]

that sounds kinda gay tbh

[Demosthenes]

Why? Because she's not sexy or super strong or a martial arts badass?

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Nope, because it's a stretch. A lot of Whedon's tropes are outdated these days, but quite a few of his characters are still miles ahead of Roseanne. Ignoring the deus ex character, Firefly alone has Zoe and Inara.

[Demosthenes]

People always presume Zoe is badass all the time because ex soldier and all that, but the character was a competent, and compassionate one that did everything that was required of her. People often assume Wash was the heart of the ship, but no. He was just a funny guy. zoe was the heart and would've been twice the captain that Mal was.

[Rhyis.]

[Andalusian girls]

i mean

Buffy

[Andalusian girls]

"strong female" is kind of a dumb way to evaluate characters but if we're talking about good characters, Buffy, Cordelia, Faith, Willow, Zoe, Fred

[Andalusian girls]

Whedon sucks as a human being but his work stands above him. the decades of gifted writing and exceptional character building don't disappear. The Body isn't any less of a masterpiece. Buffy isn't any less of a role model.

[Koyangi]

great gif response, firefly guy but as castle

[Rhyis.]

if you're a purveyor of the arts and you aren't a piece of shit, what are you even doing with your life

[Demosthenes]

Whedon sucks as a human being but his work stands above him. the decades of gifted writing and exceptional character building don't disappear. The Body isn't any less of a masterpiece. Buffy isn't any less of a role model.

His work has problems. Many things didn't age well, but he was mostly good for his heyday. Some of it is still alright, and others are still really good, but some parts are a bit yikes in this day and age.

[Zealot]

Characters like Murphy Brown, Clair Huxtable, Harriet Winslow, Roseanne, Mary Richards, Dorothy Zbornak; all strike me as much better examples of a strong female character than someone who is basically one of them but fetishized.

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[NynJa]

Also some woman is having loud sex somewhere near my apartment, I'm 100% sure of that but can't tell if it's being filmed or not. This started about 2 hours ago.

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[Demosthenes]

Characters like Murphy Brown, Clair Huxtable, Harriet Winslow, Roseanne, Mary Richards, Dorothy Zbornak; all strike me as much better examples of a strong female character than someone who is basically one of them but fetishized.

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Aside from strong female character being a laughable descriptor, I can understand the argument about being fetishized for Inara sure, but Zoe? Really?

[Demosthenes]

As an aside, good female characters don't have to be strong female characters. You don't ever hear discussions about "strong male characters" for that exact reason. Also strong female characters are often written in a manner that shuns or minimizes their femininity (in the classical sense), which can be fine, but actual women "strong" or not, exist on different places within the ranges of femininity.

[Demosthenes]

Goddamn, now I'm thinking about all the shit people gave the Skyler White character, to the point of giving her actress shit.

[Milkster]

Women and minorities almost exclusively bear the brunt of extreme criticism and hatred from Fandoms (mostly the men) to the point of them having to go dark on social media and in real life.

[NynJa]

We must double our efforts then, because you still havent.