Random Thoughts

[kuronosan]

You guys ever wonder if maybe Frank Dux slightly embellished his story?

I heard he grossly exaggerated it and is known to not be all that great. Then again, that would have made for a terrible movie with a less than hilarious Ogre cameo.

[Rhyis.]

if a martial artist ever got their life turned into a movie, shit got exaggerated

[Rhyis.]

it's hard to believe but i don't think ip man single-handedly defeated the japs by himself

[Zealot]

He did though, they made a whole movie about it.

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[Rhyis.]

donnie gonna getcha

[Demosthenes]

I don't expect many Chinese martial arts to be of use in MMA, but I'm willing to ber Judo variants and karate do alright.

[Rhyis.]

brazilian jiu jitsu/japanese jiu jitsu/judo/sambo are all essentially the same thing so you're right about judo. most fighters will tell you they train in bjj tho... the general joke to judoka is that bjj is judo with more armpit hair

almost nobody truly trains karate because it doesn't translate as well. sport karate is reliant on striking your opponent once quickly with no follow up. you kick a dude then move backwards. that style does absolutely nothing for you in mma, saying that however there was one modern ufc champion named lyoto machida who exclusively used/learned/taught karate

the dominant striking arts are: boxing, kickboxing, and muay thai

[Demosthenes]

The problem I had trying martial arts when I was younger was they boiled down to "here's how to fight someone using the same martial arts as you" which, fucking useless. I could never get into MMA but I see the appeal (I did enjoy K1, but that's def not MMA). I'm surprised karate doesn't do so well because some of those strikes come out of nowhere and since I've always assumed it was significantly better than pretty much all Chinese martial arts, RE: Wing Chun.

[Xno Kappa]

TMA is all a crock of shit regardless, very few of them actually translate well to MMA/real fight. Karate with Lyoto and Wonderboy are the exceptions. Wrestling, BJJ, and boxing/kickboxing are the only real foundations fighters work on.

None of that kata bullshit from the 80s/90s or the Take My Dough McDojos.

[Gredival]

Kata emphasize learning proper form, but adapting the forms and strikes to practical application in a dynamic fight isn't the emphasis in most dojos so there's a gap in usability compared to martial arts where the practice consists of kick the shit out of this guy

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[Andalusian girls]

Xno is right, most TMA is mostly useless. if you aren't full contact sparring against others in live competitive situations it's gonna be gaaahhhhbaggggeee. even then some stuff like sumo is too situational for much applicability.

it's why kyokushin karate and taekwondo are the only real traditional martial arts crossover to join wrasslin, sambo, BJJ, muay thai, judo, and boxing/kickboxing to be useful in combat (and even then they are less useful because no punches to the head). Kyokushin is mostly the karate which emphasizes sparring early and often, including strikes to the head, and formed the striking basis for huge combat stars like Andy Hug, GSP, Jerome LeBanner, Henry Cejudo, Bas Rutten.

taekwondo is a lot more limited with no punching but full contact sparring = some usefulness, and you can see it in the kicking games of people like Shevchenko, Yair Rodriguez, Anthony Pettis.

brazilian jiu jitsu/japanese jiu jitsu/judo/sambo are all essentially the same thing so you're right about judo. most fighters will tell you they train in bjj tho... the general joke to judoka is that bjj is judo with more armpit hair

first of all how dare you

Japanese Jiu Jitsu is pretty TMAy in terms of uselessness, the Brazilians took some of the principles and made it actually applicable to combat by focusing on ground submissions. judo is primarily a stand up throwing martial art, and sambo is its whole own ting entirely with striking allowed with all the judo.

[Andalusian girls]

ultimately what MMA proved is no martial art Eastern or Western, traditional or modern ever figured out unarmed combat. cross training is a must for all of them, if you box you can't handle kicks, if you muay thai you can't submit, if you wrassle you can't throw a punch etc etc. it sure proved the absolute uselessness of some over others tho.

[Xno Kappa]

What would Sensei Seagal do?

[Andalusian girls]

rape some women prolly

[Rhyis.]

judo is primarily a stand up throwing martial art

the focus of sport judo is definitely predominantly about the throws however every submission in bjj, that isn't a leg lock, was directly taken from judo newaza. carlos gracie literally took what he learned from judo and gave it another name

a kimura is a bent arm lock in judo, an armbar is a cross arm lock in judo, etc, etc.

What would Sensei Seagal do?

shit has pants

[Andalusian girls]

a shared lineage doesn't make them 'essentially the same thing'. a judo match has little in common with a BJJ match these days.

[Demosthenes]

What would Sensei Seagal do?

LMAO

[Rhyis.]

a shared lineage doesn't make them 'essentially the same thing'. a judo match has little in common with a BJJ match these days.

learning bjj and learning judo is literally the same thing though

not kind of the same. exactly the same

[Andalusian girls]

spoken like someone who has learned neither

[Andalusian girls]