George Floyd Murder by Cop

[Andalusian girls]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

Murders plummeted since they disbanded.

can't have any murders when there's no one left to solve murders

big brain point

[Andalusian girls]

welp there it is

an entire page of tldr

you did it

page and a half even

[Lokus]

can't have any murders when there's no one left to solve murders

big brain point

An unsolved murder is still a murder though.

[Andalusian girls]

when there's no murder po lice it's often just a disappearance or an accident

[BerenTebogo]

when there's no murder po lice it's often just a disappearance or an accident

im gonna take you to space and murder you there and it wont be any of these things

[Lurking Badger]

10 - I urge you to take time with your support and advocacy.


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gonna stop here. one lurker might read ten short posts but no regular poster..

Nah.

[Corrderio]

Decent quick read

Spoiler: show

My main issue with ideas like this are there are situations the community won't be able to do anything.

For example, around 2 years ago a disgruntled customer was making threats against the company I work for over social media claiming he was going to make us pay and was taking pictures of various firearms in these rants. The police department where he was from (Colorado I believe) called ahead to let us know of these threats and he was actually willing to go through with them as the police where I work actually did spot him scouting around the area in his vehicle He only stopped because the police called him and persuaded him out of it. Do you really believe a community based system as you describe would be able to work in a situation like that? Let alone any violent situation? It's not just a simple "give everyone jobs" solution.

[BerenTebogo]

My main issue with ideas like this are there are situations the community won't be able to do anything.

For example, around 2 years ago a disgruntled customer was making threats against the company I work for over social media claiming he was going to make us pay and was taking pictures of various firearms in these rants. The police department where he was from (Colorado I believe) called ahead to let us know of these threats and he was actually willing to go through with them as the police where I work actually did spot him scouting around the area in his vehicle He only stopped because the police called him and persuaded him out of it. Do you really believe a community based system as you describe would be able to work in a situation like that? Let alone any violent situation? It's not just a simple "give everyone jobs" solution.

A community-based system for policing doesn't eliminate every arm of law enforcement. Abolishing "the police" doesn't mean you lose shit like the FBI, DEA, etc. Or even specialized task forces, or even detectives.

The overwhelming problem is beat cops. That's why community policing can work in the majority of situations. Even the UK and Japan and all those countries that DO have a much diminished police presence / community policing policies have armed response units for shit that does actually warrant it.

Cops should not be pulling up to every situation with their guns drawn. Right now, cops pull up to pretty much every situation with their guns drawn. Police reform, in many ways, has not worked. The idea that there will be no more established law enforcement is stupid, and while may be being pushed by SOME people, is not the actual legislation that is going to get proposed / possibly implemented. People get shot when cops respond to noise complaints because cops are fucking pussies that treat every situation like it is kill or be killed. The only people I want showing up armed when I call them are people who actually have rigorous training, standards, and oversight.

In your specific example, what would be wrong with local community enforcement taking a call/complaint about this individual, noticing the person while they are on patrol (as you are describing the cops did), and escalating the event as a serious threat to a specialized unit for these types of crimes?

Edit: To give some fake numbers to this, think of it this way.

You have 500 cops to respond to 10,000 calls in one day, 30 of which are active violent crimes that warrant a strong show of force. Should the 500 cops be showing up to every single one of those calls behaving as if they are 1 of the 30 violent crimes? Guns drawn, shouting, noise, doors kicked in, etc? Or should those 9,970 calls, some of which are fucking cats in trees and noise complaints and my neighbor shit on my lawn, be handled without the possibility of deadly force? Leaving the people who ARE responsible for the care of the community to call in the properly trained personnel for the 30 violent crimes?

[Tymon]

The idea that there will be no more established law enforcement is stupid, and while may be being pushed by SOME people

Here's the point where people that spend too much time on Twitter start to think that it's reflective of reality. (not you)

[BerenTebogo]

Here's the point where people that spend too much time on Twitter start to think that it's reflective of reality. (not you)

Yeah Twitter, and apparently spam, is where you start to get the "ABOLISH ALL POLICE OF ANY SORT" followed by the "LOL THE ENTIRE LEFT WANTS CHAOS AND ANARCHY WHO YOU GONNA CALL WHEN I COME TO YOUR HOUSE WITH MY GUN AND STEAL ALL YOUR SHIT" sorta nonsense.

When really it's more like "Can we please not have militarized cops who live 45 minutes away in the suburbs coming into the city and acting out their racist fantasies on members of communities they'll never have to look in the face again? Can we have it be George from down the block so maybe he exercises a little bit of thought instead of just cracking my son's head open with a baton for stealing a Snickers?"

[Mertron]

allegedly* stealing a snickers, come on sath, don’t throw your imaginary son under the bus

[Corrderio]

-SNIP-

Okay that's a fair point. I do agree the public needs to be more active in safety and cops need to be better trained (especially with restraint), but those images you posted.

In my example I guess I'm curious how people would know about the customer's vehicle and being able to monitor in a situation like that.

[BerenTebogo]

Okay that's a fair point. I do agree the public needs to be more active in safety and cops need to be better trained (especially with restraint), but those images you posted.

In my example I guess I'm curious how people would know about the customer's vehicle and being able to monitor in a situation like that.

I think you're taking the bait of thinking that people are calling for like a fucking hippie commune where everything thinks "peace and love, maaaaaan". It's not that. I'm not going to claim with 100% certainty how every aspect of it will work, but it's not going to be hippie shit.

The best thing to think about, in my opinion, is this: It is literally impossible to mold the current police state in America into a model similar to what they have in the UK. The officers are not trained for it, they'll resist having their weapons taken away, unions will resist it, etc. But if you just clear the table and start again with the intention of building something like that, beat cops not having lethal weapons, officers being required to live in the communities they police, etc. then it is doable. You still have your databases and license readers and your surveillance state (UK is real bad with this) but you have stricter protocols for engaging suspects, better training in de-escalation, etc.

It's not some hippie shit. It's not some barefoot, pot-smoking utopia nonsense. It's just "please dont fucking shoot my dog while responding to a noise complaint."

[BerenTebogo]

allegedly* stealing a snickers, come on sath, don’t throw your imaginary son under the bus

Sorry I'm so used to the current police state that I forget we are actually innocent until proven guilty.

Doesn't stop officers from routinely playing judge, jury, and executioner though.

[Kaslo]

[Vaspinne]

8 - And then, of course, there's Angela Davis

I miss Strombo interviews. He and his team did fantastic work

[Meresgi]

Fucking year is wild.

[Gadritan]

Raleigh protests getting bigger every day. We matched down through the poorest community in the city from the capital. People started coming out of their houses, some crying, some dancing, some hugging us. Fucking real moment man.

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[Outlaw]

I know what anime that is but I can't place it. >.<

[Gadritan]

And I'll say it again. The police were practically non-existent. They never told us we couldn't go somewhere. They simply asked "where to next," and took off to block streets.

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