George Floyd Murder by Cop

[Cyn]

And I'll say it again. The police were practically non-existent. They never told us we couldn't go somewhere. They simply asked "where to next," and took off to block streets.

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I still think MAB extending the curfew through the weekend was pretty fucking heavy handed to say the least.

[Gadritan]

I still think MAB extending the curfew through the weekend was pretty fucking heavy handed to say the least.

They left it at 10pm here, so it hasn't been a big deal. They're honestly not even enforcing it. Co-worker was out and about downtown until 1am last night. Saw cops and said hi to them and they just waved.

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[Heavencloud]

I think you're taking the bait of thinking that people are calling for like a fucking hippie commune where everything thinks "peace and love, maaaaaan". It's not that. I'm not going to claim with 100% certainty how every aspect of it will work, but it's not going to be hippie shit.

The best thing to think about, in my opinion, is this: It is literally impossible to mold the current police state in America into a model similar to what they have in the UK. The officers are not trained for it, they'll resist having their weapons taken away, unions will resist it, etc. But if you just clear the table and start again with the intention of building something like that, beat cops not having lethal weapons, officers being required to live in the communities they police, etc. then it is doable. You still have your databases and license readers and your surveillance state (UK is real bad with this) but you have stricter protocols for engaging suspects, better training in de-escalation, etc.

It's not some hippie shit. It's not some barefoot, pot-smoking utopia nonsense. It's just "please dont fucking shoot my dog while responding to a noise complaint."

how you gonna force people to live in a certain neighborhood? guarantee you this is not the case in the UK or elsewhere.
how you gonna have police officers less armed than the public? other countries get away with this because of an unarmed public.

if you defund the police force, they will stay in wealthy neighborhoods, in the form of private security firms, who will not be regulated at the city/county level, will not be required to wear body cams, etc. Who gets fucked? Poor people.

wanna go to the rich neighborhood? get ready for some ahmaud arbery level justice

I could support it (because I am a top 1% earner).

But I grew up in a bottom 20% earner family. And it's the worst idea I've ever heard.

[shepardG]

[Rhyis.]

Cops should not be pulling up to every situation with their guns drawn. Right now, cops pull up to pretty much every situation with their guns drawn.

this feels like something that can be taught out of cops

[Malithar]

Y'all can give me shit but I'm bringing over the lot. It's not like we read long posts anyway.

I'm just glad it's something of substance. When I saw the post count jump, I assumed Draylo was off suspension.

[Zealot]

how you gonna force people to live in a certain neighborhood? guarantee you this is not the case in the UK or elsewhere.
how you gonna have police officers less armed than the public? other countries get away with this because of an unarmed public.

if you defund the police force, they will stay in wealthy neighborhoods, in the form of private security firms, who will not be regulated at the city/county level, will not be required to wear body cams, etc. Who gets fucked? Poor people.

wanna go to the rich neighborhood? get ready for some ahmaud arbery level justice

I could support it (because I am a top 1% earner).

But I grew up in a bottom 20% earner family. And it's the worst idea I've ever heard.

Sounds like it's the rich neighborhoods getting fucked, in this scenario they pay to invite the kind of cops we have now into their communities.

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[Zealot]

Remember that time when Philly cops didn't want to bother making a difficult arrest so they dropped a bomb on a residential neighborhood and killed 5 kids? The rich neighborhoods can go ahead and have those cops.

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[Zealot]

I also understand this is an outlandish concept but you could also intentionally seek out and actively recruit people to be police for the neighborhoods you need policed rather than ask anyone to relocate.

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[Cantih]

I know what anime that is but I can't place it. >.<

The Brave Fighter of Sun Fighbird

[Malithar]

Came across this while looking at other Tweets posted. She looks like something straight out of Equilibrium, just stone faced, emotionless.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1269459672714694661

[Vaspinne]

Highly highly recommend tonight's episode of Last Week Tonight. Just crushes it in simply yet poignantly explaining why and how systematic racism got the US to the point it has today, what are some of the big obstacles preventing meaningful change, and offers some solutions as to how to make lasting change.

[Fhloston]

Highly highly recommend tonight's episode of Last Week Tonight. Just crushes it in simply yet poignantly explaining why and how systematic racism got the US to the point it has today, what are some of the big obstacles preventing meaningful change, and offers some solutions as to how to make lasting change.

Just watched it. Came here to mention it. That ending gave me chills and I suggest watching her whole video.



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[Vaspinne]

Yeah, that video is amazing too. Incredibly eloquent and on point

[BerenTebogo]

how you gonna force people to live in a certain neighborhood? guarantee you this is not the case in the UK or elsewhere.
how you gonna have police officers less armed than the public? other countries get away with this because of an unarmed public.

if you defund the police force, they will stay in wealthy neighborhoods, in the form of private security firms, who will not be regulated at the city/county level, will not be required to wear body cams, etc. Who gets fucked? Poor people.

wanna go to the rich neighborhood? get ready for some ahmaud arbery level justice

I could support it (because I am a top 1% earner).

But I grew up in a bottom 20% earner family. And it's the worst idea I've ever heard.

I grew up poor and surrounded by violence. The police did nothing. Looks like your poor childhood was a bit better than mine.

I don’t know if I am a top 1% but my apartment costs $3,000 per month so use that as your reference point.

I am 100% for it.

I also understand this is an outlandish concept but you could also intentionally seek out and actively recruit people to be police for the neighborhoods you need policed rather than ask anyone to relocate.

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You are wild and unhinged. How dare you suggest this.

[kuronosan]

how you gonna force people to live in a certain neighborhood? guarantee you this is not the case in the UK or elsewhere.
how you gonna have police officers less armed than the public? other countries get away with this because of an unarmed public.

if you defund the police force, they will stay in wealthy neighborhoods, in the form of private security firms, who will not be regulated at the city/county level, will not be required to wear body cams, etc. Who gets fucked? Poor people.

wanna go to the rich neighborhood? get ready for some ahmaud arbery level justice

I could support it (because I am a top 1% earner).

But I grew up in a bottom 20% earner family. And it's the worst idea I've ever heard.

Yea I'm sorry I'm going to have to agree with HC.

Only because I'm not certain how this helps the poor. The rich never have a problem with shit. I've driven through rich neighborhoods they look like some paranoid fucking people.

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[BerenTebogo]

Yea I'm sorry I'm going to have to agree with HC.

Only because I'm not certain how this helps the poor. The rich never have a problem with shit. I've driven through rich neighborhoods they look like some paranoid fucking people.

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How do the police currently help the poor?

It is a wild and optimistic view of the world to think that the police are there to help you when you are in the bottom 20% of society. Who is most adversely affected by drug addiction ?Alcoholism? Which section of the population is disproportionately affected by spousal abuse? Sexual abuse? How many victims end up just getting locked up by the police for some minor crime they're committing while lashing out over the insane abuse and living situations they are in?

What are the clearance rates on these crimes when they happen to people living in trailers? Where is the task force when a poor black teenage girl gets kidnapped?

Naive.

Edit: Honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight with this one, but I genuinely expected better of you kuro. Really.

Edit 2: https://whyy.org/articles/breaking-p...-often-linked/ One of plenty articles on the topic (backed up by studies). The police aren't the answer to crime in poor neighborhoods. Drug and alcohol rehabilitation are fundamental to directly reducing the homicide (and other crime) rates in low income neighborhoods.

The poor don't need more cops. They need more options. Treatment, recovery, counseling. Not jail.

[Yabby]

The more i'm learning about the police unions, the more i think these protests need to shift some focus to those leaders... You can protest the government and tell them they need to do more, but it seems that the unions have so much power at this point, and they seem to be the primary bottleneck in most of the cases of "Why did X get away with Y?"

[kuronosan]

How do the police currently help the poor?

It is a wild and optimistic view of the world to think that the police are there to help you when you are in the bottom 20% of society. Who is most adversely affected by drug addiction ?Alcoholism? Which section of the population is disproportionately affected by spousal abuse? Sexual abuse? How many victims end up just getting locked up by the police for some minor crime they're committing while lashing out over the insane abuse and living situations they are in?

What are the clearance rates on these crimes when they happen to people living in trailers? Where is the task force when a poor black teenage girl gets kidnapped?

Naive.

Edit: Honestly, I'm not trying to pick a fight with this one, but I genuinely expected better of you kuro. Really.

I think you misunderstood.

The police don't help the poor. That's my problem.

I think where I sit is I'm worried disbanding all police means those with legitimate mental instability that leads to crime have no means of control and people could get hurt.

I'm 100% with you on disproportionate fucking over of the poor. When I thought about what the police do, the answer for most things (except major crimes) was "absolutely nothing".

Every experience I ever had with the police amounted to "ah well that's a waste of our resources". Well, what the fuck do you do otherwise?

Is there no way to have "less police", much like suggested earlier where police come from their own communities?

You needn't be disappointed. I'm trying to figure this out.

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[Yabby]

I grew up poor and surrounded by violence. The police did nothing. Looks like your poor childhood was a bit better than mine.

I don’t know if I am a top 1% but my apartment costs $3,000 per month so use that as your reference point.

I am 100% for it.

I grew up in section 8 housing, cops never even came around our area unless there was a murder. I know they were the problem as well, but the only reason my apt wasn't robbed every night was that the people selling the drugs started cracking heads (Or withholding drugs) when crackheads started breaking into people's places to steal. It was one of those Mexico cartel style places.