George Floyd Murder by Cop

[Kanriel]

There you go again bringing up the police. We will just go in a circle

They literally started it.

[Draylo]

Destroying homes and businesses of poor working class Americans, this is surely the way to force change.

[Tyche]

Which party would you like to vote for, the one lead by a racist or the one that has done fuckall for blacks since 1964?

[Kanriel]

Why do you keep thinking the rioters and looters are the same as the protesters? Even the MSM has figured out they are different groups, and the MSM is generally stupid.

[Draylo]

Why do you keep thinking the rioters and looters are the same as the protesters? Even the MSM has figured out they are different groups, and the MSM is generally stupid.

:15 or so, they obviously aren't completely separating them. In fact, a lot of people are getting so upset they are blaming the protesters for the actions of these looters which is hurting the cause.

[Damane]

Actually multiple people share my opinion, I just posted a video of someone directly affected who also shares it. The violence is senseless and will not bring about the change people WANT. The result they got was the cops being arrested, who knows how that will even turn out. That doesn't justify the riots at all, its a tiny win in this huge battle.

I am not sure if you deliberatly dont read people posts, or just trajector stuff that is in your mind on to them without reason. You are makeing an argument that isnt even there.

1. I never justified riots/violence
2. i only stated that heavy protests are allways accompanied by riots/violence which is the reality
==> stating/understanding reality doesnt mean you advocate or justify riots/violence. There is a big difference.

Please read the post more carefully.

[Mrbeansman]

Draylo saying "it's my opinion" is not a shield from criticism of your shitty opinion.

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[Draylo]

I am not sure if you deliberatly dont read people posts, or just trajector stuff that is in your mind on to them without reason. You are makeing an argument that isnt even there.

1. I never justified riots/violence
2. i only stated that heavy protests are allways accompanied by riots/violence which is the reality
==> stating/understanding reality doesnt mean you advocate or justify riots/violence. There is a big difference.

Please read the post more carefully.

You aren't the only poster here, so I'm not sure why you think you're speaking for everyone that has an opposing opinion to me.

There is a difference in advocating for violence, and understanding that it's necessary.

- Saying he thinks its necessary

As many as it takes. Welcome to revolution.

As many dead bodies as it takes

So we gonna burn it all down. Cause that shit isn't gonna happen any time soon.

He isn't even out there protesting, a white man posting from the safety of his own home saying "burn it all down"

I could easily dig back and show you countless posts from many posters here, supporting the violence.

You're just talking yourself in circles to avoid explicitly saying "I wanna pass the buck to the next generation and go back to my quiet life of not having riots when the cops kill people."

Anger isn't pretty, but it's necessary. Stop concern trolling dude.

Okay well you're asking very stupid, hippie, floofy questions that have mostly already been addressed over the past few days. We get it. You don't like the violence. That's incredibly sweet of you and I'll do my best to see that you get a merit badge for this.

The protests need to continue until nobody can ignore it any longer and the choice becomes between two options with no middle group, attempt reform, or roll out the military against civilians. Most of the protests today were peaceful for hours up until some shitty conflicts with cops. If the protests end up going hand-in-hand with violence then I am not willing to shout down the need for protesting for the sake of stopping the violence.

That's a shitty trade.

This in response to someone genuinely concerned about whats going on, in typical fashion they personally attacked him.

[Athas]

Jesus, was this was it was like when Guartz first showed up?

Just walk away.

[Draylo]

raze the whole fucking country and obliterate the assets and (especially) footsoldiers of capital until there's actual justice. transfer sovereignty to the people who create the wealth, from the overfed and idle owners who currently possess control of the political economy. then, maybe, we can talk about a peace treaty.

once again, yes. power only responds to power. jesus fuckin' christ dude this is not complicated

This dummy who quoted me earlier calling me some insults

[Draylo]

Jesus, was this was it was like when Guartz first showed up?

Just walk away.

Hit the block button if my opinions offend you.

I gotta agree with this, if you look at all the peaceful ways people have tried to protest and nothing has changed and either those protests were outright ignored or the people were harrassed by the establishment (kneeling during football) as being unamerican for protesting against this crazy shit...well then yeah violence is the only recourse. I'm a pacifist in most cases but if you back people into a corner they are gonna lash out and we're seeing that enough is enough and we hit a breaking point. Do I have cop friends? Yup Do I think all cops are bad, fuck no, there are a ton of good cops out there. A few rotten ones have put us in this situation and you have so many factors to blame. Cops aren't paid enough to deal with some of the shit they do, we've militarized them and given them carte blanche to do whatever they want in some cases. Assholes as well as good people are both drawn to this profession. Some want to help out people and others just want to be able to bully with impunity.

Fuck the people that say all cops are pigs or we need to get rid of police 100% but there's a lot of shit that needs to be changed at the higher up levels.

Can we stop pretending now that yall werent for violence and rioting?

They are, but fuck that, they have called for calm and peace multiple times when things started to hit the fan, made promises that things would change and now we're here.

This same idiot who told me leaders were calling for peace, but "fuck that"

[Kanriel]

Draylo, why is your cousin a fan of murdering black people?

[Kanriel]

And is it the same reason why you are a fan of murdering black people?

[Draylo]

Should be a bannable offense honestly, Kanriel is inciting claims that my family member is actively murdering people and then saying I am a fan of murdering black people. Do you read your posts?

[Draylo]

Draylo saying "it's my opinion" is not a shield from criticism of your shitty opinion.

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Christ, imagine someone saying your opinion is shitty because you want to end violent rioting.

[Kanriel]

Should be a bannable offense honestly, Kanriel is inciting claims that my family member is actively murdering people and then saying I am a fan of murdering black people. Do you read your posts?

I know what I'm saying. I'm fucking with you because you can't even get your own posts. You even just said it that the rioters are detracting from the protests. Yes, that is why people take issue with you emphasizing the rioters instead of the purpose of the protests. You are that exact issue. You still, after basically every single person who has posted in the last 10 pages of this thread, do not understand that RIOTING IS A GIVEN DURING PROTESTING, IF THERE IS PROTESTING, THERE IS RIOTING.

Your brilliant fucking 'solution' is to use immense, brutal violence to stop rioters, in the middle of a protest against state enforced brutality. It's incredibly fucking stupid. Your 'solution' would bring us into full scale civil war, and you're a fucking idiot for not seeing that. And somehow, you also claim you're against violence. What a cop thing to say.

Every one of your opinions here does not pass any logical or historical test, and would not do what you claim they would. You're at Trump-tier levels of absurdity, except this forum doesn't have a Trump cult to back up that stupidity, so you think everyone is being mean to you.

We are in the midst of a gigantic societal rift that has been in this nation for our ENTIRE history. You choose to view everything through the lens of the last 72 hours and skip the previous 500 years. It's fucking stupid.

[Draylo]

IF THERE IS PROTESTING, THERE IS RIOTING.

Not true.

Your brilliant fucking 'solution' is to use immense, brutal violence to stop rioters, in the middle of a protest against state enforced brutality. It's incredibly fucking stupid. Your 'solution' would bring us into full scale civil war, and you're a fucking idiot for not seeing that. And somehow, you also claim you're against violence. What a cop thing to say.

The looters and rioters are criminals, taking lives, they need to be shut down. I'll support whatever it takes to do that, but I'm pretty sure the heavy intimidation would work to stop it.

Every one of your opinions here does not pass any logical or historical test, and would not do what you claim they would. You're at Trump-tier levels of absurdity, except this forum doesn't have a Trump cult to back up that stupidity, so you think everyone is being mean to you.

Opinions are opinions, everyone has one. Just because you have more far left radicals that support your opinion, doesn't mean you will get to shut me up. The majority of level headed posters have already been banned from this section because you have people like you and Sath constantly harassing anyone who doesn't fit their viewpoint. They end up getting fed up of the constant "lol u dumb" every post and they just retaliate by trolling. I've seen it happen countless times here and you're a relatively new poster so maybe you don't know.

We are in the midst of a gigantic societal rift that has been in this nation for our ENTIRE history. You choose to view everything through the lens of the last 72 hours and skip the previous 500 years. It's fucking stupid.

So if you think its been there for our entire history, how exactly is another riot going to forcefully change things if it hasn't in the past? We still have the same issues. It's like you are promoting a method that has been proven to not work effectively.

[Kanriel]

Not true.

Show me a large-scale, multi-day protest that didn't involve rioting and violence.

The looters and rioters are criminals, taking lives, they need to be shut down. I'll support whatever it takes to do that, but I'm pretty sure the heavy intimidation would work to stop it.

The police are criminals, taking lives, they need to be shutdown. I'll support whatever it takes to do that.

Opinions are opinions, everyone has one. Just because you have more far left radicals that support your opinion, doesn't mean you will get to shut me up. The majority of level headed posters have already been banned from this section because you have people like you and Sath constantly harassing anyone who doesn't fit their viewpoint. They end up getting fed up of the constant "lol u dumb" every post and they just retaliate by trolling. I've seen it happen countless times here and you're a relatively new poster so maybe you don't know.

You think everyone else is the crazy one, when you're advocating for death and destruction to tear across every major city in the country. What in the fuck.

So if you think its been there for our entire history, how exactly is another riot going to forcefully change things if it hasn't in the past? We still have the same issues. It's like you are promoting a method that has been proven to not work effectively.

We get closer each time. Black lives have absolutely improved over the last two centuries. But we're still not there. The method that has been proven to not work effectively is entirely peaceful means. Kneeling at NFL games? A reasonable, sensible, well-spoken black President? Only brought out more of the racism. Racism needs to be put the fuck down. Why do you keep fucking support it?

[Draylo]

I don't support racism, but you honestly believe rioting and killing more people and destroying their businesses (creating new victims) will change peoples view on racism? I honestly want to know if you think that works to change systemic racism in America, lol. Also, way to dismiss the fuck all OBAMA has done about this issue. Somehow it wasn't his fault, if anyone could have changed it he should have been able to.

I'm not advocating for death and destruction, I just want an end to violent rioting involving people who have fuck all to do with this issue. It isn't fair to them and they shouldn't be collateral in your quest to burn the country down.

[Kanriel]

I don't support racism, but you honestly believe rioting and killing more people and destroying their businesses (creating new victims) will change peoples view on racism? I honestly want to know if you think that works to change systemic racism in America, lol. Also, way to dismiss the fuck all OBAMA has done about this issue. Somehow it wasn't his fault, if anyone could have changed it he should have been able to.

I'm not advocating for death and destruction, I just want an end to violent rioting involving people who have fuck all to do with this issue. It isn't fair to them and they shouldn't be collateral in your quest to burn the country down.

Where's the protest that didn't have any rioting or violence involved?

You advocated for putting down the rioters with overwhelming force. Do you think our military is 100% perfect at using non-lethal force and not causing collateral damage? Are you that fucking blind?

And do you really think overwhelming force, in the midst of nationwide protests against state-sanctioned brutality, is going to, in any way, calm the protests against brutality? It would cause a fucking civil war you fool.

It isn't fair to black people that cops kill people, but again, all you do is post about rioters, you keep forgetting the fact that cops kill people, all the time. They shouldn't. But you keep forgetting that cops kill people. Cops kill people. Cops kill people.