{COVID-19} Coronavirus Pandemic III: Second Wave Preperation

[Psion]

Wait, what? That's a far left issue? I'd say that's more a far right issue. Why would family dynamic suffer when both parents work?

Both parents work in most western countries. Try telling a woman they can't work in Sweden because it'll affect the family dynamic, you won't have a girlfriend/wife for long.

uh, that might be the case, but you might not realize just how bad it is in the US. we're talking both parents working 30-80 hours a week, depending on how crappy their jobs are with wages, and how expensive their cost of living is. for instance, if they're living in an expensive city like los angeles. in that case, your kids are either having a babysitter (paid stranger) to watch over them, a relative (if your lucky, which that isn't always the case), or basically no one. so yeah, family dynamic can suffer quite badly because your kids aren't getting much family time. it doesn't nessisarily have to be the mom staying at home either, just ONE of the parents being there for the kids some of the time to bond with them and love em.

[Uzor]

I mean, a normal work week is 40 hours in Sweden, and both men and women work that.

Although, according to Swedish law, parents have the right to reduce their work days to 6 hours a day for their youngest child, up until that child is 8 years old. Alternatively they can start earlier or work later some days, if they prefer that. Their employer has to be able to accommodate that.

Also; in Sweden parents can take up to 480 days off of work when their child is born (each birth). Out of these 40 days, 90 days are reserved for each parent, meaning the mom can't take all 480 days, she can only take 390 at the most. Additionally, The first 10 days both parents can be off work per child, so if you get twins, both parents can be home for 20 days. Although the father has a right to 240 days, statistically, fathers takes out roughly 144 of those days in Sweden (as of 2019).

Do note that parents also get paid during this time based on their salary.

[Psion]

yeah, we get none of that. and the normal work week in the US is anywhere from 30-80 hours, with both parents doing that many hours. with school being up in the air this year, parents are basically fucked because many of them can't afford to pay someone to watch their kids while they're at work, so their kids are basically going to be at home alone instead of at school socializing like they normally would be.

and unless you are incredibly lucky, you get pretty much no materal leave except maybe for when they're a little baby, and i mean an actual baby. and you can forget about paternal leave. and accomidations for work? HAH. 9-5 bitch, get in line. ::cracks whip::

you seem to think that US companies are some mythical reasonable creatures that are decent human beings who will accomidate workers within reasonable limits. scratch that pretty thought from your head right now. they're fucking Asmodeus incarnate. any way they can fuck you over to make more money, they will. if they could get away with murder to make more money, they would. they would sell their own grandma if it was allowed. they would grind up babies and use them for soylent green if their lawyers think they could pull it off and their analysts considered it worth the investment.

people here are slaves in all but name, chained to the great american economy.

[Uzor]

I mean, it sounds more like an issue of people not getting paid enough for their work, and that employees don't have enough protections. In Sweden we have the mentality of "work to live", whereas in the US you have more of a "live to work" mentality. So I wouldn't say it's an issue of it affecting family dynamics; that's just a symptom of something greater. Your issue isn't family dynamics, it's horrendous worker protections, failing social safety nets, and not getting paid enough for your work.

I do agree that this Corona crisis have highlighted the flaws in every country's system, and unfortunately America's flaws are quite glaring.

[Psion]

basically. people here are constantly told that work is life, that idle hands are the devils work, that laziness is a sin, etc etc... art isn't really held in much esteem, relaxation isn't really seen as a virtue but a vice, and CEOs and workaholics are held up as something to be worshiped. for some reason. even though they're complete psychopaths.

but if you were to tell a woman they can't work because it will affect the family dynamic in the US, it's going to be one of two things happening: you're either gonna get bitchslapped because it's sexist as hell because you think women should get in the kitchen and make you a sammich (and said slap is rightfully deserved)

or B) you said it because they're the one with the lower paying job/crappier hours and will be the better one for staying with the kids while you (somehow) take up yet another part time job or try and haggle your boss for a pay raise, or maybe they'll try and lower their hours or drop one of their part time jobs, or maybe donate plasma instead, or something. or maybe you'll eat out less. or make some other sacrifice to somehow make things work out with the bills. in which case, no slaps are going to be forthcoming, because it's an honest discussion that takes place all the time in US households. my own parents had to have this discussion all the time. my mother would spend hours cutting coupons, doing double ups and the like, taking down a 200$ purchase in groceries to 50$ worth or so to help make ends meet... at least, before grocery stores and merchants stopped with the double up coupons. they really hated smart coupon clippers like my mom. <_<

right now, america is land of the crazed, home of the enslaved. abandon all hope, ye who travel here.

[Mayareira]

Economic realities are forcing both parents to work but I also agree that it is not the ideal scenario for the development of the child, regardless of the perks and limitations put by the government. After all most people are on a salary and basically selling their time to their employers.

I think if offered the option to spend more time on the development of the kid everyone would be happy to use it regardless of the country they are based in. Same would apply to Sweden, it isn’t a case of saying “you can’t work, you will stay at home with the child the whole day!” to a Swedish woman (or a man, the non-breadwinner), it is more about saying “we are financially secure, so you are free to use and control your own time.” The spouse will likely prefer to spend more time with the child and perhaps work on a creative field where s/he can run the business from home. This would be much more fulfilling than an average 9-5 job where the spouse (and probably the breadwinner) are beaten down at the end of the day with fatigue and work related stress, and of course much easier to do if you don’t have to worry about the bills at the end of the month.

[arus2001]

I said it because those having to work multiple jobs don't really have time to actually be with their kids, with older children subsequently becoming caregivers to their younger siblings if they're just not offloaded to grandparents. All this translates to not being able to help with homework, playing catch in the yard, enjoying a movie night/whatever, cooking decent enough meals, and so on as often as you'd like.

I push for a 30 hour work week and $25/hr minimum wage largely for this reason. And with so many jobs forcibly closed right now, it's the best time to actually reevaluate that possibility instead of going back to business as usual and hoping maybe eventually we'll creep up to $15/hr over a decade among no decline in expected hours. In a perfect world it'd be easy to say people in this position shouldn't be having kids, but sometimes shit happens and those were better off before aren't so much now.

Family dynamic might not have been the right word choice, but improving morale should still be a goal to strive for.

[Boyiee]

the nj shutdown obliterated traffic, it was a great month when i had to drive to work

it is now shit again

Have you been to the beach at all?

The ocean water looks like Florida's or the Caribbean. I've never seen it so blue/green clear and beautiful. This is probably what the water looked like 50-100 years ago when these beaches were super famous.

[Mertron]

i have not been to the beach, but i did make the mistake of driving by the shore during 4th of July weekend traffic

[Byrthnoth]

Existing drug may downgrade COVID threat to common cold level — Jerusalem study

https://www.timesofisrael.com/existi...rusalem-study/

Be extremely skeptical of all claims from the biomedical industry/academia for the next forever.

[Day]

thought you were gonna say from israel

[NynJa]

I push for a 30 hour work week and $25/hr minimum wage largely for this reason.

you know everything else will go up in cost accordingly.

[Tyrath]

you know everything else will go up in cost accordingly.

Everything else has gone up in cost overtime anyway while wages have stagnated.

[Roranora]

Although, according to Swedish law, parents have the right to reduce their work days to 6 hours a day for their youngest child, up until that child is 8 years old. Alternatively they can start earlier or work later some days, if they prefer that. Their employer has to be able to accommodate that.

Also; in Sweden parents can take up to 480 days off of work when their child is born (each birth). Out of these 40 days, 90 days are reserved for each parent, meaning the mom can't take all 480 days, she can only take 390 at the most. Additionally, The first 10 days both parents can be off work per child, so if you get twins, both parents can be home for 20 days. Although the father has a right to 240 days, statistically, fathers takes out roughly 144 of those days in Sweden (as of 2019).

Do note that parents also get paid during this time based on their salary.

lol

[Milkster]

Watching the implosion of America happen in real time is interesting to experience.

[Boyiee]

I mean, a normal work week is 40 hours in Sweden, and both men and women work that.

Although, according to Swedish law, parents have the right to reduce their work days to 6 hours a day for their youngest child, up until that child is 8 years old. Alternatively they can start earlier or work later some days, if they prefer that. Their employer has to be able to accommodate that.

Also; in Sweden parents can take up to 480 days off of work when their child is born (each birth). Out of these 40 days, 90 days are reserved for each parent, meaning the mom can't take all 480 days, she can only take 390 at the most. Additionally, The first 10 days both parents can be off work per child, so if you get twins, both parents can be home for 20 days. Although the father has a right to 240 days, statistically, fathers takes out roughly 144 of those days in Sweden (as of 2019).

Do note that parents also get paid during this time based on their salary.

Yo I knew they basically forced time off and family time but fuck this shit I am out. Aren't the school systems mostly just recess and social interaction now too? Fuck it here man.

[archibaldcrane]

Sweden rules, as do Norway, Finland and Denmark, Bernie is right, there is a better way to organize society.

[6souls]

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1283422324918833159

[Lokus]

I almost want to go to Walmart on Monday just to see the public freakouts.

[Kaslo]

Gov. Stitt of Oklahoma tested positive for COVID just weeks after Trump rally.