Final Fantasy XVI (PC/PS5) - June 22, 2023

[Takiwaki]

Remake still has 2 games to go.. so I would not say that fully controlled parties are a thing of the past. Maybe newer titles may not be like it was, but pretty sure 7 wont be the last remake they do either.

[Tyrath]

the idea that turn-based (let alone fully controlled parties) may never come back IS disheartening.

To mainline FF they probably aren't. I've made my peace with that.

[Lucavi]

Probably not, but they also don't cost nearly as much to make, and thus don't need the insane focus on quality that these third party blockbusters need.

This has needed to happen for a long time: SE should have been trying to expand to new fans, not simply regurgitate the money of the same ones.

[Vaspinne]

This has needed to happen for a long time: SE should have been trying to expand to new fans, not simply regurgitate the money of the same ones.

With series like Dragon Quest, Bravely Default, Octopath Traveller, Triangle Strategy, Star Ocean, all the remasters and remakes, they're still pumping out plenty of the older style stuff for old fans too

To mainline FF they probably aren't. I've made my peace with that.

Me too, I'm all in for action RPG's. They have been floundering on releasing a solid mainline FF game since 12 from back in 2006. 13 was okay, 14 and 15 certainly had their issues. 16 ~so far~ looks like it might be a bit of a return to form but again I won't form my opinion until I actually get my hands on the game

[Ayn]

To be fair, as "in touch" Yoshi-P fans say he is, that comment about people not wanting turn-based games anymore felt pretty out of touch. Yes, FF has experimented a lot over the years. There's also the reality other franchises have done real-time combat for longer and perhaps took advantage of that as their niche despite not ever being as popular as FF. People linking DMC music doesn't mean people would just automatically like the combat, either.

So, while the cheat items and the like are nice, that specter of, "Did it really have to be this way?" will never be shed when you stop and consider this probably could've been some sub-titled FF game like SoP and not a mainline number. And I think that's where some get hung up because, success or fail (as unreasonable as SE can be with their expectations), the idea that turn-based (let alone fully controlled parties) may never come back IS disheartening. And it doesn't really matter how good a story is when the combat system is just no fun to a person.

Hey. Hey. No SoP slander here.

It's now Final Fantasy 1.

[AoE]

I stopped caring about turn-based RPGs since Star Ocean 2. Let action RPGs reign supreme for eternity.

[Mrbeansman]

The turn based combat is what makes snes games hard to go back to for me.

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[Ayn]

I stopped caring about turn-based RPGs since Star Ocean 2. Let action RPGs reign supreme for eternity.

Room for both for me.

A solid turn based game is good for me to wind down with on some nights.

[Lucavi]

Room for both, and I've been getting my TRPG kick from indies. I can wait for Yoshi to Matsuno it up for me to get my quality SE TRPG fetish out. Triangle Strategy was great, but I want my established FFT or Ogre Battle IP, especially knowing that Tactics Ogre still has a lot left unfinished narratively.

[IceSylph]

Love turn based. Love action games. Don't really like DMC combat, except for Nero. Not a fan of the camera/dodge/roll/sidejump system in DMC. Hoping it's not like it too much in 16, tbh.

[Vaspinne]

If it has the smoothness of KH3 combat (without the getting excessively overpowered easily or the disney rides), I'll be happy

[Kaisha]

The turn based combat is what makes snes games hard to go back to for me.

For me it's waiting on bars to fill/animations to play out. Some PS1-era JRPGs are insufferable without a fast-forward button.

[Gokulo]

For me it's waiting on bars to fill/animations to play out. Some PS1-era JRPGs are insufferable without a fast-forward button.

Yeah, definitely feel spoiled by contemporary jRPGs with fast-forward

[Uzor]

I mean, turn-based games have their charm, but no one likes constant screen transition to take you to a trash mob fight where you don't have to do anything but press "attack", only to be taken to three different screens where you spam the "OK" or "skip" button as it tallies up the exp, gil and items you got, only to run 10 steps and do it all again.

[Kaisha]

It's one of the bigger reasons I enjoyed XII so much. You just fight right there on the field, no load times, no post-battle screens. It was what I was hoping DQXI was also going to do, and it probably could have, but they didn't.

[Charandi]

I thought FFXII was kinda ahead of its time; it wasnt fully appreciated for what it brought to the table.

[Kaslo]

I thought FFXII was kinda ahead of its time; it wasnt fully appreciated for what it brought to the table.

I feel over the past 10 years its gained a lot of respect from the general gaming community.

[Xno Kappa]

I mean, turn-based games have their charm, but no one likes constant screen transition to take you to a trash mob fight where you don't have to do anything but press "attack", only to be taken to three different screens where you spam the "OK" or "skip" button as it tallies up the exp, gil and items you got, only to run 10 steps and do it all again.

The irony of people crying about the FF16 gameplay video of just mashing the square button.

[Lucavi]

I thought FFXII was kinda ahead of its time; it wasnt fully appreciated for what it brought to the table.

The combat was appreciated. What we couldn't stand was Japan's obsession with having a child as the protagonist despite having three perfectly functional adults, each of whom could have realistically been the protagonist for the game. Having a whiny kid shoved in as the "face" of the game because Japan loves their fucking kids is what killed it for me. The combat was great.

Thankfully, Yoshi-P's best friend is Matsuno, who also loves writing young protagonists who aren't annoying and who actually grow up within the plot, as well as having plot relevance. We're seeing it again with Clive: starts off younger, but grows the fuck up, because a story makes a hell of a lot more sense when its an adult out beating the shit out of giant monsters and getting a revenge plot in rather than some wet-eared Freshman out of high school with a chip on his scrawny shoulder.

[Gokulo]

The irony of people crying about the FF16 gameplay video of just mashing the square button.

Oh, the delusion is strong in that regard. People act as if older FF games had any difficulty and required real strategy when playing.