Final Fantasy XVI (PC/PS5) - June 22, 2023

[Mertron]

Not sure if I agree with everyone on the ending.

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I'm pretty sure Clive died. Unless I'm misremembering something, I could have sworn Gav made a comment at the end of a side quest that he would write a book about everything. If that is the case, it would make sense to use Joshua as his pen name, as who would read a book written by an outlaw, which would also eliminate using Clive/Cid as the author.

Overall, excellent game in my opinion. My only gripe is I wish Clive got a happy ending with all that he endured, though I'm pretty sure there was no amount of therapy that would undo everything he went through. My only other gripe is that Anabella took the cowards way out by committing suicide. She deserved a worse death.

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there was another questline where Clive says he would take up harpocretes pen when it was all over, so it still could be clive.

also, the title of the book is “final fantasy.” Clive made the lame final fantasy reference during his final fight with ultima while no one else was around, so it would be quite the coincidence for someone else to come up with that title

let’s just let our boy clive be alive and happy (and naked) (with Jill)

[Tymon]

Not sure if I agree with everyone on the ending.

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I'm pretty sure Clive died. Unless I'm misremembering something, I could have sworn Gav made a comment at the end of a side quest that he would write a book about everything. If that is the case, it would make sense to use Joshua as his pen name, as who would read a book written by an outlaw, which would also eliminate using Clive/Cid as the author.

Overall, excellent game in my opinion. My only gripe is I wish Clive got a happy ending with all that he endured, though I'm pretty sure there was no amount of therapy that would undo everything he went through. My only other gripe is that Anabella took the cowards way out by committing suicide. She deserved a worse death.

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I'm pretty sure Clive made that comment, or at least he made one extremely similar. He told Harpocrates that he wants to chronicle his adventure and his history of using others' names. Wyvern, Cid, Lord Underhill, etc. Which is why Harpocrates gave Clive his quill.

[Mertron]

i don’t think this is spoilery but something bothered me while i was playing

there was that questline where you get materials for dresses for the young girls, and the seamstress tells you to pick another color that’s leftover to make something for jill

but she doesn’t even make a dress, which im pretty sure she said she was making one when you pick. it’s just a lame cloth for a keepsake

i wanted my jill wearing red damn it, blue sucks

[Tymon]

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The way I see it, Clive doesn't see himself as much more than a sacrificial pawn to achieve a greater goal and he uses the names of those who he believes are the true inspirations behind his goal. He is completing Cid's goal, so he takes Cid's name. Joshua punches him in the face later in the game because he realizes what Clive is doing and makes him start thinking more introspectively. This ties very well into the book, because it would mean that Clive believes that this was truly Joshua's story, and as his Shield, he was the executor of his ultimate goal.

Joshua's goal, meanwhile, was to be Clive's Shield. A goal he fulfills in the end, by giving him Phoenix to defeat Ultima. Which in itself is directly a reference to the book. Clive became the Phoenix in the end, something Joshua always wanted. It would only be fitting and a fair honor to his brother to pen the book in his name, given he is now, ultimately, what his brother always represented. Even if he no longer has that power.

[Tymon]

i don’t think this is spoilery but something bothered me while i was playing

there was that questline where you get materials for dresses for the young girls, and the seamstress tells you to pick another color that’s leftover to make something for jill

but she doesn’t even make a dress, which im pretty sure she said she was making one when you pick. it’s just a lame cloth for a keepsake

i wanted my jill wearing red damn it, blue sucks

They actually state directly in that quest that Jill really enjoys her outfit to the point that she "wears it every day" which I think is just a tongue in cheek joke at how video game characters rarely change clothes.

[Mertron]

make her wear it as a scarf or something then, ungrateful women am i right fellas

[Tymon]

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there was another questline where Clive says he would take up harpocretes pen when it was all over, so it still could be clive.

also, the title of the book is “final fantasy.” Clive made the lame final fantasy reference during his final fight with ultima while no one else was around, so it would be quite the coincidence for someone else to come up with that title

let’s just let our boy clive be alive and happy (and naked) (with Jill)

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It's also incredibly in character for Clive to make a super lame and unoriginal statement like that. Same with the book title. People troll him literally the whole game for being awful at coming up with stuff on the spot. It fits his character to do that.

[Salodin]

The Final Fantasy reference was fine

Still thinking about L3+R3 to accept the truth. I was chasing that high again all game and rarely got it.

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[Tyrath]

You clearly didn't accept the truth because there were eikon fights much more epic after that

[Kaslo]

Particularly the moment before the Bahamut fight.

[Tyrath]

Yepp

[Salodin]

Titan was objectively well produced, but I didn't like it. Soundtrack and direction of the fight was meh for me. I imagine this is how people felt about that house fight in FF7R lol.

Bahamut was great, that's fine. Odin was maybe too short but I liked it. It's also a 40+hr game and most of it wasn't of that caliber, which was a common review complaint iirc.

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[Melena]

I must be in the minority, but I actually enjoyed the Titan fight. In order, I'd probably say Bahamut, Titan, Odin, Garuda from best to worst.

[Tymon]

Bahamut > Final boss > Titan > Odin > Garuda for me.

[Tyrath]

Haven't finished yet so for me

Bahamut >> Titan > Odin > Typhon > Ifrit > Garuda

[Obsidian]

Also not done yet (just got Shiva), but I did quite like the Titan fight. Bahamut was just on another level from everything else so far though, and I won't be surprised if it's the best encounter of the game once I'm done.

The Typhon fight was really cool just for the atmosphere though. It was a sick introduction. Made me literally say "what the fuck is that" when it reached out of the portal.

[Salodin]

Still tho, the atmosphere, young Clive standing beside him, and the music swelling in Accept the Truth. Def my favorite moment in the game

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[Mertron]

at least we are all in agreement on the best 30 minute stretch of the game and easily one of the best 30 minute stretches of any game

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(it’s been a while so if i have the abilities in the wrong order or named wrong whatever suck it nerd)

[Kaslo]

at least we are all in agreement on the best 30 minute stretch of the game and easily one of the best 30 minute stretches of any game

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(it’s been a while so if i have the abilities in the wrong order or named wrong whatever suck it nerd)

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[Mertron]

i don’t think Donald Duck was in this game, but don’t worry he’ll probably be in ff7 rebirth