Final Fantasy XVI (PC/PS5) - June 22, 2023

[carlweathers]

Elemental weaknesses aren't a strategic choice though, it's as black and white as you can get. Either something is weak or strong against an element, there's no decision making to be had. There is plenty of depth in the combat system the game just isn't hard enough to need to use it. Honestly that's my one hope for the game is that with the PC release or a patch they add an actual hard difficulty. The tools are there to make a hard game they just aren't implemented. I don't think a game needs to be hard to be enjoyable but it would certainly broaden the appeal if it had a proper hard mode.

I feel thats the case for a lot of turn based RPGs but it would probably actually benefit action games like this. The idea being, it forcing you to switch it up and try new stuff and not just rely on the same bread and butter for the entirety of your playthrough.

[Salodin]

Shivas pull in ability is great for damage and stagger, and recharges very fast

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[Malithar]

I'm actually really glad they didn't go the elemental weakness/resistance way. Keep that shit outta action games it just doesn't feel good. Like sure in theory it sounds fun with swapping eikons around to deal with resistances but do you really want to have to open the menu and swap out every lightning ability you have when you see or Coeurl or every fire ability when you see a bomb. That's sounds terrible to me.

I think there was a middle ground they could have found without making it a forced thing. Nothing like "ice enemy, you must use fire or you're fucked" but rather "ice enemy, use fire to build stagger/multiplier faster." It all just felt a bit off because every time you got a new Eikon, it made sure to call out that equipping them changed your magic attacks, but all it did was change the color of the particle effects. I would have liked to see it impact more, like your charge or stinger attack, and just give some bonuses for using the correct element.

[Astylla]

Funny the resistance argument has been brought up because I was debating on how I felt about it not really being existent in the game.

I'm kind of on the fence about it.
On one hand if the Eikons abilities weren't so limited and how many you can switch between , for sure agree that adding that element would be a nice addition.

However given you can only equip three and even then some are way better than others, it didn't really flow with this particular game style. Instead it really allowed the player to figure out which path works better for them.

Most the game even after getting Titan , Bahamaut, etc. , I'd stick with Shiva /Ramuh for stagger with the Lightning Rod combo , Garuda for deadly embrace/deadly takedown / and Gouge for high end hunts or Phonenix for Flames of rebirth.

Odin wasn't my favorite really but that may change in FF mode. Also having a low level cap kind of made you pick and choose what abilities you could get. I considered resetting everything but didn't first play through.

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[Melena]

The difficulty/depth to the RPG systems is the only gripe I'd have besides the ending. Or should I say lack thereof... because at best it's really not much more than a "choose your loadout". Gear/etc is very weak.

And I didn't get a Game Over until

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Behemoth in the campaign, and only because I got him to zero HP early in a stagger and sat there for 20+ seconds waiting for him to get up and cast Extinction. Expected a cinematic that never came and got 100-0'd when I didn't move lol

, and was pretty flabbergasted when the checkpoint put me directly into the same fight with the boss at half HP and all my consumables restored. It's not like anyone looks to Final Fantasy to get their difficulty on, but if you're going to make this kind of game AND make it extremely easy AND strip out all the RPG elements... you're probably going to turn off some folks with that kind of handholding. I said nope and loaded the last autosave before the boss fight anyway, because fuck you lol.

Personally I'm used to just playing through these games for the story (albeit while leaning on the now missing RPG elements), so it didn't really impact my enjoyment. Unlike the ending.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who died this way.

[Zealot]

Finally.



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[Tyrath]

Looks sick.


Wait, I have a hooded man question which idk if the game explained. If it did I missed/forgot

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They reveal the hooded man as Joshua but there was another hooded man that Clive saw at Phoenix gate before awakening. I think we see that particular hooded man a second time when Clive is going to fight some eikon. Who was that?? Ultima?

[Tymon]

Looks sick.


Wait, I have a hooded man question which idk if the game explained. If it did I missed/forgot

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They reveal the hooded man as Joshua but there was another hooded man that Clive saw at Phoenix gate before awakening. I think we see that particular hooded man a second time when Clive is going to fight some eikon. Who was that?? Ultima?

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It was Ultima in most of the scenes as a fake out.

Ultima in Phoenix Gate.
Ultima before Garuda.
And Ultima again right before Joshua and Clive reunite.

[Obsidian]

All right, just got the final Eikon.

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While not on the scale of the Bahamut fight obviously, I thought this fight was really cool. As much as I like the Ifrit parts of the other Eikon fights, it was nice to just have a man-on-man fight (mostly) to flex all of Clive's tools. Barnabus's voice actor was also amazing for that whole fight.

Odin's Eikon is also easily my favourite after having only played with it for like 30 minutes to do some new hunts. It's so flashy and flowy, a nice change from the previous couple of Eikons that felt kinda punch-counterpunch. Zantetsuken is sick. Dancing Blades is sick. Rift Slip is Sick. It's all just sick.

[Vaspinne]

All right, just got the final Eikon.

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While not on the scale of the Bahamut fight obviously, I thought this fight was really cool. As much as I like the Ifrit parts of the other Eikon fights, it was nice to just have a man-on-man fight (mostly) to flex all of Clive's tools. Barnabus's voice actor was also amazing for that whole fight.

Odin's Eikon is also easily my favourite after having only played with it for like 30 minutes to do some new hunts. It's so flashy and flowy, a nice change from the previous couple of Eikons that felt kinda punch-counterpunch. Zantetsuken is sick. Dancing Blades is sick. Rift Slip is Sick. It's all just sick.

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Odin is fun. Rift Slip makes landing Dancing Steel a lot easier. The time freeze gap is just long enough to get DS off. And then later on you can get an accessory that increases the amount of Zantetsuken bar DS fills by like 25% per hit or something like that.

It's really fun to use I found. And Zantetsuken is a really nice damage dealer. Takes out a big chunk of boss HP every time and (AFAIK) 1-hit KO's any non stagger-bar regular mobs. Great for clearing out large groups instantly

[chazzyphizzle]

on FF mode it doesnt one shot bombs. bombs are bizarrely tanky in this game lol

[Kaslo]

My only issue with that fight

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Was when Barnabus did the crazy laugh at the end... did not seem to fit his character at all

[Salodin]

My only issue with that fight was

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the darkness raping Clive.

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[Tyrath]

[Mertron]

My only issue with that fight

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Was when Barnabus did the crazy laugh at the end... did not seem to fit his character at all

i checked after the fight to see if he was the same voice actor as a certain fullmetal alchemist character even though i knew it was just some kind of modulated voice

the yelling was 100% homunculus in the flask

[Salodin]

It was not consensual, sir

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[Kaslo]

It was not consensual, sir

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So are you also saying

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Bahamut, Cid, Titan and Garuda raped Clive?

[Salodin]

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Garuda was an accident, the awakening of his abilities, so that gets a pass. From my understanding, Bahamut had to be taken out otherwise Dion would have been consumed, or something. The way the scene played out made it seem like he was doing it to save his life, to me. I didn't quite get it, cause he still has control over Bahamut anyways as seen at the end of the game so idk.

Good luck young Dominants

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[Tyrath]

So are you also saying

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Bahamut, Cid, Titan and Garuda raped Clive?

I'm sorry but I had to.

Apparently this is the game Salad has been playing

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[Kaslo]

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Garuda was an accident, the awakening of his abilities, so that gets a pass. From my understanding, Bahamut had to be taken out otherwise Dion would have been consumed, or something. The way the scene played out made it seem like he was doing it to save his life, to me. I didn't quite get it, cause he still has control over Bahamut anyways as seen at the end of the game so idk.

Good luck young Dominants

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And Cid?