117th United States Congress: Insurrection 2021

[Byrthnoth]

Trumpers >> "I just wanted to intimidate people into doing my political bidding. I'm not a terrorist!"

ok guiz, this country needs more dictionaries

[Lokus]

Fake News!! This happened before the capitol riot. That guy was just a snowflake and losing his shit cause he was refusing to mask up and was thus kicked off the flight.

[Gwynplaine]

Yeah according to one reply that is a video from a different incident. I don't think these people have currently been placed on the "no fly list". There is another video going around of a girl being dragged away yelling at an airport but supposedly that's also from November because she was threatening the flight crew.

Anyways:

[Vaspinne]

Fake News!! This happened before the capitol riot. That guy was just a snowflake and losing his shit cause he was refusing to mask up and was thus kicked off the flight.

[Gwynplaine]

This is very good news. Democrats have bills in the works to address the totally unethical ways Trump ignored the laws and norms of tradition in his presidency. It's called the Protecting Our Democracy Act. Tell your Federal reps you want this to pass.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/u...acy-biden.html

"Among the changes embraced by House Democratic leaders are limits on the president’s pardon powers, mandated release of a president’s tax returns, new enforcement powers for independent agencies and Congress, and firmer prohibitions against financial conflicts of interest in the White House."

"Two major pieces of legislation, the Protecting Our Democracy Act and H.R. 1".

[One provision of the Act]"would shield independent inspectors general from retaliation and help ensure that vacant watchdog slots are filled promptly"

"Mr. Trump’s conduct proved that many of those changes [from Watergate]— and longstanding checks and balances dating to the constitutional convention — relied more on tradition and shame than on enforceable law." And of course Trump has no shame so those ethical rules were moot.

"The Democrats’ Protecting Our Democracy Act includes requiring candidates for president to release 10 years of tax returns, beefing up protections from retaliation for whistle-blowers and inspectors general, and prohibiting presidents from pardoning themselves."

"Pending bills intend to ... more effectively press federal officials to disclose and sell off businesses and assets that pose a conflict of interest."

"A measure in the House legislation, prompted by the millions of dollars that Trump family hotels collected from foreign governments and influence peddlers, would prohibit presidents and vice presidents from receiving gifts, called emoluments in the Constitution, from foreign nations without congressional consent."

"Another provision would require presidents to provide a documented reason for any pardons linked to investigations of themselves or their family members, a measure partly inspired by Mr. Trump’s pardon of his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn."

"Under the bill, exchanging a pardon for anything of value would be deemed a criminal offense, under federal bribery statutes. Presidential self-pardons, as Mr. Trump is said to be contemplating, would be prohibited."

"Pending legal changes would authorize the Office of Special Counsel to enforce the Hatch Act when the president fails to do so, by fining violators up to $50,000 a transgression."

"In a parting shot at the departing administration, the Protecting Our Democracy Act would suspend the statute of limitations for federal offenses committed by the president and vice president before and during their term of office."

[Tymon]

They can sign whatever they want into law on pardons, but that is smack dab in the middle of the Constitution. They do not have the say on that part.

Rest sounds great.

[Lokus]

https://twitter.com/jonathan_medley/...032072194?s=20

Might not be fake news? I don't even know anymore cause the timeline is all shit.

[Draygon]

Supposedly that video was taken prior to the Capitol riots

[zoobernut]

McConnell will just sit on it until right before the inauguration, then open debate so the Senate, if they want to pursue it, will suck up time at the start of Biden's administration doing something that is both basically ornamental and sure to fail.

It won't be hard for Republicans to say "he's out of office it's time to move on".

Except it isn't ornamental. If he gets convicted he loses all of the lifetime benefits that former presidents get. It also prevents him from running again. Seems worthwhile to pursue impeachment even after the 20th if you ask me.

[Melena]

Except it isn't ornamental. If he gets convicted he loses all of the lifetime benefits that former presidents get. It also prevents him from running again. Seems worthwhile to pursue impeachment even after the 20th if you ask me.

Supposedly he will keep benefits if it's after the 20th, but still can't run, whereas if he's removed prior to the 20th, he would not keep the benefits.

[zoobernut]

Supposedly he will keep benefits if it's after the 20th, but still can't run, whereas if he's removed prior to the 20th, he would not keep the benefits.

Thanks for the clarification. I think in either instance there is a lot of value in taking a stand against this type of behavior and sending a message.

[archibaldcrane]

Except it isn't ornamental. If he gets convicted he loses all of the lifetime benefits that former presidents get. It also prevents him from running again. Seems worthwhile to pursue impeachment even after the 20th if you ask me.

It's ornamental precisely because he won't be convicted.

[zoobernut]

It's ornamental precisely because he won't be convicted.

Well yeah it is all dependent on the Republicans actually doing something in order to save their hides for the future. Or being afraid that not doing anything is going to damage their careers in the future. If there is no worries of that then they won't do anything because they can continue to pander to Trumps base and play both sides of the coin.

[Mrbeansman]

No way they convict Trump is the best shot they have at taking back everything in 2024.

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[Serra]

For the party as a whole or for the individuals?

Because Trump definitely holds a grudge and will mobilize his machine against the Republicans who turned on him.

[Byrthnoth]

A few Republicans in purpley districts (Toomey, Murkowski) are making big bets right now that a primary challenger is less scary than a Democrat.

[Tymon]

Probably also a sizable number of Lindsey Graham types that are weighing whether blowing up the party in the immediate by convicting Trump eventually saves it in the future. Because going full fash and anointing him Emperor of the GOP is definitely not going to work long term. There are idiots like Hawley that don't know this. Then there are other idiots like Cruz that know this but don't care and want the spotlight it gives right now.

[zoobernut]

Probably also a sizable number of Lindsey Graham types that are weighing whether blowing up the party in the immediate by convicting Trump eventually saves it in the future. Because going full fash and anointing him Emperor of the GOP is definitely not going to work long term. There are idiots like Hawley that don't know this. Then there are other idiots like Cruz that know this but don't care and want the spotlight it gives right now.

That is how I see it right now too. Either they take a big loss in the short term for the long term health of the party or they want the short term glory which won't work out well in the long term. Either choice is going to lead to some explosive protests/riots in the near future I figure.

[Kaslo]

Probably also a sizable number of Lindsey Graham types that are weighing whether blowing up the party in the immediate by convicting Trump eventually saves it in the future. Because going full fash and anointing him Emperor of the GOP is definitely not going to work long term. There are idiots like Hawley that don't know this. Then there are other idiots like Cruz that know this but don't care and want the spotlight it gives right now.

Hawley isn't an idiot, he's an opportunist.

[Qalbert]

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius/s...40338827939841