The Stock Market Is Not The Economy Thread II

[Melena]

Spicy any time even the smallest change happens that is for the betterment of people

[Spicyryan]

Spicy any time even the smallest change happens that is for the betterment of people

So when I say that the Democratic party and their supporters only deal with symptoms of problems. I get this sort of deeply flawed reaction too. That doesn't mean "no incremental change is acceptable." You are effectively asking for satisfaction in attempting to polish a turd. I assert that you can't reasonably polish poop because the base structure is far beyond reasonable reforms.

[Melena]

Because you would rather say fuck it and go 10 steps back and sit on your high horse, than doing two steps forward, 1 step back and slowly get the much needed change implemented. And that's why we now have Roe vs Wade overturned, child labor now being even more exploited, and child marriage being allowed to remain legal while people deflect onto drag queens and the LGBTQ community.

[Spicyryan]

Because you would rather say fuck it and go 10 steps back and sit on your high horse, than doing two steps forward, 1 step back and slowly get the much needed change implemented. And that's why we now have Roe vs Wade overturned, child labor now being even more exploited, and child marriage being allowed to remain legal while people deflect onto drag queens and the LGBTQ community.

No, because systematic change beyond mere (and often temporary) reform is required rather than moving from one social distraction to the next. You are focusing on any narrow instance of social oppression rather than the larger picture of it.

[Milkster]

You know that was 13 years ago right? Not excusing it now, but kind of old news.

Yes I know but it's still not illegal for individuals who are elderly to be forced into shitty low wage jobs to cover the gaps in their SS benefits or rising medical costs and then their corporate overlords to collect massively on them when they eventually die from essentially being overworked.

[Spicyryan]

Yes I know but it's still not illegal for individuals who are elderly to be forced into shitty low wage jobs to cover the gaps in their SS benefits or rising medical costs and then their corporate overlords to collect massively on them when they eventually die from essentially being overworked.

Yeah, but should we ban private property?

[Mrbeansman]

No, because systematic change beyond mere (and often temporary) reform is required rather than moving from one social distraction to the next. You are focusing on any narrow instance of social oppression rather than the larger picture of it.

The people in charge of the capital you hate will not let capitalism collapse without taking the rest of us down with them. It's time to accept that you can't beat the system only find your way in it.

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[Spicyryan]

The people in charge of the capital you hate will not let capitalism collapse without taking the rest of us down with them. It's time to accept that you can't beat the system only find your way in it.

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What astoundingly pathetic defeatism. Weak. Selfish. Recreant.

[archibaldcrane]

You know that was 13 years ago right? Not excusing it now, but kind of old news.

Lawsuit was 13 years ago, they stopped doing the "dead peasant" insurance in 2000 - because they were losing money overall on the scheme (unsurprising that they were unable to beat life insurers at their own game)

[arus2001]

Because you would rather say fuck it and go 10 steps back and sit on your high horse, than doing two steps forward, 1 step back and slowly get the much needed change implemented. And that's why we now have Roe vs Wade overturned, child labor now being even more exploited, and child marriage being allowed to remain legal while people deflect onto drag queens and the LGBTQ community.

It's nice to know that as an Ohioan and leftist, I'm somehow responsible for Arkansas being a backwater shithole on policy. Or any other state, for that matter.

This is the incrementalism some of you guys champion in action benefitting the right. Confuse pleas to do better with sweeping change strawmen to shake off blame, like whatever. All while taking that bean style self-fulfilling prophecy doom spiral of things sucking so don't even try something different. Truly the next moderate "safe choice electable" Jesus will be the one to reach across the aisle and save us from the right-wing crazy. I'm sure the trans folk now cut off from their treatments will be ecstatic to know that maybe in a decade they'll get access back if we just keep doing this milquetoast tug-of-war while the spin machine paints them as unhinged and worthy of death.

[Spicyryan]

It's nice to know that as an Ohioan and leftist, I'm somehow responsible for Arkansas being a backwater shithole on policy. Or any other state, for that matter.

This is the incrementalism some of you guys champion in action benefitting the right. Confuse pleas to do better with sweeping change strawmen to shake off blame, like whatever. All while taking that bean style self-fulfilling prophecy doom spiral of things sucking so don't even try something different. Truly the next moderate "safe choice electable" Jesus will be the one to reach across the aisle and save us from the right-wing crazy. I'm sure the trans folk now cut off from their treatments will be ecstatic to know that maybe in a decade they'll get access back if we just keep doing this milquetoast tug-of-war while the spin machine paints them as unhinged and worthy of death.

They have this inadequate ideology in their mind. Their politicians do nothing for then except toss crumbs. So they think crumbs are the only way to eventually get bread. They have been conditioned to think anything beyond that is too radical and have to work with what they are given.
This mild centrism only bolsters the status quo and prolonges their own problems and stringing along. Incremental reform works both ways because it is temporary in nature and easily usurped. Then people who don't seem to know shit beyond their social feelings just blame others.

[Milkster]

To use a MLK Jr. Quote properly

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

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[Spicyryan]

Lol, don't be a tool. I used a quote correctly. I quoted like four solid and unbroken paragraphs. You just seemingly didn't give a shit. Sorry it didn't suck your dick due to being comparably more political and systematic compared to your more social quote.

That being said yes, the quote speaks directly to the Beans and Melenas. The white moderates, or better said any privileged moderate enable that imperfect peace of the status quo and preach patience (incrimentalism).

[Spicyryan]

https://twitter.com/GRDecter/status/...R-YFA3Kzg&s=19

[Mrbeansman]

It's nice to know that as an Ohioan and leftist, I'm somehow responsible for Arkansas being a backwater shithole on policy. Or any other state, for that matter.

This is the incrementalism some of you guys champion in action benefitting the right. Confuse pleas to do better with sweeping change strawmen to shake off blame, like whatever. All while taking that bean style self-fulfilling prophecy doom spiral of things sucking so don't even try something different. Truly the next moderate "safe choice electable" Jesus will be the one to reach across the aisle and save us from the right-wing crazy. I'm sure the trans folk now cut off from their treatments will be ecstatic to know that maybe in a decade they'll get access back if we just keep doing this milquetoast tug-of-war while the spin machine paints them as unhinged and worthy of death.

I almost want the dems to go for a full socialism platform in a general election so you all can finally see what a vocal minority you really are.

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[kuronosan]

There's a time for gradual change and urgent change just as there's a time for bandaids and emergent surgery.

I think it's about time the bleeding was addressed.

[Spicyryan]

There's a time for gradual change and urgent change just as there's a time for bandaids and emergent surgery.

I think it's about time the bleeding was addressed.

People come across as wanting it both ways. Gimme the good stuff, but don't rock the boat too much. Refusing to reconcile that if they are sincere in their grievances then it won't be a matter of incrimentalism. It's beyond the mentally soothing idea of slowly making slight changes. It's not the same as puting away a pair of socks until the laundry basket is empty.

[Mrbeansman]

Also progressives destroyed the only mechanism for sweeping change when they didnt hold their nose in 2016 thus allowing Trump to appoint three SCOTUS seats.

[Mrbeansman]

People come across as wanting it both ways. Gimme the good stuff, but don't rock the boat too much. Refusing to reconcile that if they are sincere in their grievances then it won't be a matter of incrimentalism. It's beyond the mentally soothing idea of slowly making slight changes. It's not the same as puting away a pair of socks until the laundry basket is empty.

You really don't seem to understand how big of an ask your putting on people. Your basically saying "hey please risk your financial stability and human rights on a hail mary pass".

[Milkster]

Lol, don't be a tool. I used a quote correctly. I quoted like four solid and unbroken paragraphs. You just seemingly didn't give a shit. Sorry it didn't suck your dick due to being comparably more political and systematic compared to your more social quote.

That being said yes, the quote speaks directly to the Beans and Melenas. The white moderates, or better said any privileged moderate enable that imperfect peace of the status quo and preach patience (incrimentalism).

My one post you replied to that quote with agreed with my post. You tried to appear more intelligent than you are by pulling that out. My post was concise and to the point, the quote you used just expanded on it but the idea was exactly the same: You want people to get into positions of power where they can institute change for those that look like them or have similar backgrounds.