FFXIV 6.0: Endwalker (December 7, 2021)

**Gokulo** · 2021-09-18 23:22

They even talked about ress and physik being kept for smn during the presentation.

And yeah, I also immediately felt the speed buff might actually turn out problematical, e.g. due to muscle memory and players screwing how much they move during tight mechanics, lol

**Uzor** · 2021-09-19 03:43

The "Attacks enemies & heal party members simultaneously" thing from Sage makes it sound like a percentage of your damage done to enemies will heal allies, like Discipline Priest in WoW. It'll definitely be the first new job I level, I'm a healer at heart. Really curious how that'll work out in the game.

**Gokulo** · 2021-09-19 03:49

Here are the Sage abilities:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ect_to_change/

**Corrderio** · 2021-09-19 03:54

If this simplifies healing in the game where trying to switch between PT members and enemies isn't such a pain in the ass like it felt on WHM I'll gladly play it

**Uzor** · 2021-09-19 04:07

Originally Posted by Gokulo

Here are the Sage abilities:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ect_to_change/

I thought they said Sage was supposed to be a Shield healer, together with SCH, and AST was supposed to be heal healer together with WHM?

Reading those descriptions, there's like no shields at all. Unless it's mistranslated and some of those "heal with potency of X" is supposed to be "shield with potency of X"

**Gokulo** · 2021-09-19 05:03

It has two normal shield skills - single target + aoe, which is like to Scholar + some HoTs and damage reduction skills too, while they're using the term shield healer, mitigative might be a little more accurate to describe this

**Vaspinne** · 2021-09-19 05:21

I mean, Sch only has Adlo and Succor for shields too most of the time unless you pop Seraph. And from the looks of the ability breakdown, Sage also only has 2 shields

Those Cardia Partner cure potencies (based on the numbers in that build anyway, and not whatever official potency at release) are also higher then what the faerie Embrace potency currently is. Will be really curious to see how they compare at release. But fuck, they have a LOT of ways to just insta-spam DPS+a partner heal at the same time. But I guess for Sch, 1, the faerie can just spam embrace when it needs to no worries, and 2, it can target whoever needs it without having to swap partners.

And Sage has a LOT of oGCD insta-cures it looks like. But, so does Sch too with Lustrate, Indomitable, Excog, Fey Blessing and Consolation

I dunno, it's hard to say how good Sage is gonna be just looking at the abilities and not knowing the official numbers (it will be good, just how good???). That being said, new jobs are always top-tier for the expansions they're released in, so it's probably safe to assume Sage is gonna be better then Scholar. Just by how much is the question to ask at this point. As a 'Scholar is my healer job' player, I just hope they give us more use out of the faeirie gauge. And on top of that, not knowing what new abilities (outside of movement speed >_>) Sch is getting and what, if any, potency changes will happen will be interesting to see.

**Anoat** · 2021-09-19 08:49

The speed buff sometimes messes me up in Bozja so I know it’s definitely going to throw me off balance during regular content.

**Prothescar** · 2021-09-19 10:45

There was a soul (class/job) in Rift called Chloromancer. It healed by both dealing damage to enemies (which healed a designated person or did weaker aoe heals depending on which thing you activated) and had direct heals. Sage is gonna work the same way. The Synastry-esque buff that you stick on a party member that heals them when you damage an enemy (prolly just whenever you use a gcd or something tbh) takes the place of Embrace on sch (and has the benefit of being controllable, rip Eos micro) while they still have regular "heal nukes"/shields to drop when needed.

You trade pet abilities and unruly fairy heals for cool Gundam shit and the ability to passively mitigate auto attacks and shit on tanks via small chunks of healing when you throw out Beam Blast IV, thus, in tandem with ogcds, shields, and regens, reduce the amount of time you will have to spend healing.

**Uzor** · 2021-09-19 11:29

I absolutely hate Scholar, love White Mage and am neutral towards Astrologian. I really do hope I fall in love with Sage so that I have a pure healer and "barrier" healer to swap between based on the team.

**silverdragontyr** · 2021-09-19 11:50

I do have to wonder. They have been pretty good at keeping from making any one job objectively better than the others. However just by the virtue of being able to damage and heal at the same time aren't Sage objectively a better healer? Definitely better than Sch.

**Gokulo** · 2021-09-19 12:18

Originally Posted by silverdragontyr

I do have to wonder. They have been pretty good at keeping from making any one job objectively better than the others. However just by the virtue of being able to damage and heal at the same time aren't Sage objectively a better healer? Definitely better than Sch.

Not really, it all comes down to balancing attack and heal potencies. That being said, new jobs are usually quite strong in general

**Vaspinne** · 2021-09-19 14:11

With the faerie, sch can dps and heal at the same time too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's probably why they went with that sort of style with Sage, to make it similar enough but still unique

**Prothescar** · 2021-09-19 14:14

They need to buff the fairy big time for it to be a truly valid comparison. Ignoring the fact that you can target your Cardia buff on whoever you want, the fucking thing is either 170 or 340 potency. That's ridiculous for a free heal and I wouldn't be shocked if that goes down before it hits live.

**Kaisha** · 2021-09-19 14:24

Keep in mind potency numbers usually get revised prior to release. That synastry thing was doing a tenth of his HP in that demonstration. I would hope Eos would either be doing similar potency after two expansions of the devs making Embrace scale terribly with the HP bloat (in addition to weakening Embrace directly), or that Sage's thing is still to be tweaked. Otherwise why wouldn't you go Sage to focus what's essentially a potent regen on the MT between busters. If someone in the party needs a manual heal, odds are others do too so you pop an offgcd.

**Prothescar** · 2021-09-19 14:27

Definitely wouldn't be the first time SE alienates a job within its role and makes it the weakest of the bunch

**carlweathers** · 2021-09-20 01:26

I’m probably like a year late to bring up this conversation but whatever. Is anyone surprised that they’re actually doing a shield healer job? Like the issue I think I would have with shield healer is that its a weird archetype that takes away gameplay from other jobs.

**Uzor** · 2021-09-20 01:28

No, why? It's not like people can just avoid boss mechanics just because a shield healer can barrier them instead. That's like saying a healer takes away gameplay from other jobs because the healer can just heal them up.

**Gokulo** · 2021-09-20 01:55

Originally Posted by carlweathers

I’m probably like a year late to bring up this conversation but whatever. Is anyone surprised that they’re actually doing a shield healer job? Like the issue I think I would have with shield healer is that its a weird archetype that takes away gameplay from other jobs.

Scholar and Astrologian were there already. How did they take away from other jobs?

**Greedouw** · 2021-09-20 10:21

Man, the Reaper actions/animations look sick…

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