117th United States Congress: #CancelGate

[Andalusian girls]

you'd think lawyers would know better than to make such an unvarnished appeal to authority fallacy but i guess they don't teach logic in law school

[carlweathers]

A real law degree holder should know you can legally fire a parlimentarian who gives a ruling that you disagree with, replace them with one who will, and still pass a reconciliation bill without having to deal with the filibuster or a valid Supreme Court challenge

It's certainly procedural radicalism that not all 50 Democrats support and therefore won't happen but it's possible

My understanding is that Reconcilliation and the Byrd Rule isn't some arbitrary law that the Supreme Court can't touch because the Senate makes it own rules, its a law and if they did that, they would have grounds to challenge and toss out the reconciliation build.

[archibaldcrane]

The Byrd rule is not a law. The parlimentarian has been fired and replaced before specifically because the majority party disliked his rulings without triggering a Supreme Court challenge (in 2001)

[Andalusian girls]

Yeah, they're not doing it to impress us at a cocktail party (They have their FFXI characters for that), its to show some expertise on how......laws work? Which I appreciate because the media completely fucks up legal analysis up 99 times out of 100.

i find it deeply embarrassing as any argument ought stand on its own merits regardless of the qualities of the speaker, as debate captain Gredival ought know, and perhaps more significantly it was brought up in the context of public policy re the Inflation Reduction Act being good or bad. one can think of a dozen or so different educational backgrounds that would render the individual, on average, more equipped to analyze the merits of that bill's impact re climate change.

[carlweathers]

The Byrd rule is not a law. The parlimentarian has been fired and replaced before specifically because the majority party disliked his rulings without triggering a Supreme Court challenge (in 2001)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/644

[thetruepandagod]

why isn't it called the inflation bill anymore

[archibaldcrane]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/644

What was the House vote on that one? When did the president sign it?

[Milkster]

[Andalusian girls]

The Byrd rule is not a law. The parlimentarian has been fired and replaced before specifically because the majority party disliked his rulings without triggering a Supreme Court challenge (in 2001)

the constitutionality of reconciliation is dubious but then so is the filibuster itself. would set up a nice constitutional crisis should SCOTUS ever presume to dictate to Congress how it ought order itself.

[carlweathers]

What was the House vote on that one? When did the president sign it?

October 16, 1990

November 5, 1990

[Spicyryan]

The Byrd rule is not a law. The parlimentarian has been fired and replaced before specifically because the majority party disliked his rulings without triggering a Supreme Court challenge (in 2001)

You know, it almost seems like the law and Senate procedure is a bit grey and there are multiple instances of precedent to justify such a plain act. Being unusual, but not unprecedented doesn't even mean I am being too hard on the Dems.

Some here really seem to think the party has their best interest in mind, and ignoring the fuck out of Lindsey the cucklord would have been a chance to show they can actually fight for people when it counts. Instead—no—and the liberals go on patting themselves on the back and vastly overblowing the contribution of the bill to the environment.

[archibaldcrane]

The number of announcements of battery and EV makers onshoring production to America and expanding operations since the IRA was signed is pretty staggering.

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/stat...iK0r5P_iA&s=19

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/...Q6cxmYKeQ&s=19

[archibaldcrane]

October 16, 1990

November 5, 1990

Ah, didn't realize it was codified into law 16 years after it was first a Senate rule.

[archibaldcrane]

Regardless, the idea that "who decides" whether a law passes the Byrd rule is in question when literally 100% of the time since 1990 it's been up to the Senate's own process is dubious.

[Kaslo]

What was the House vote on that one? When did the president sign it?

Here's a little shorthand. If its in the USC, its a law. That's what USC stands for "United States CODE"

[Gredival]

you'd think lawyers would know better than to make such an unvarnished appeal to authority fallacy but i guess they don't teach logic in law school

They don't, they just test it on the LSAT.

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[Gredival]

i find it deeply embarrassing as any argument ought stand on its own merits regardless of the qualities of the speaker, as debate captain Gredival ought know, and perhaps more significantly it was brought up in the context of public policy re the Inflation Reduction Act being good or bad. one can think of a dozen or so different educational backgrounds that would render the individual, on average, more equipped to analyze the merits of that bill's impact re climate change.

1. This presumes Spicy is worth responding to versus just mocking.

2. I didn't comment on IRA good or bad on the merits, I was responding to his stupid take it was bad because it could have been better if the Senate flouted procedure and norms to push something more radical. The mechanics of those processes are something that are very much exclusively the domain of legal specialists. I'm betting law librarians specifically.

Spicy pretty much wants to blame the Dems for not being better regardless of whether being better is politically wise OR practically possible.

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[archibaldcrane]

Incredible

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...28162681421824

Begich almost certainly would've beaten Peltola straight up but when he finished 3rd a ton of voters that wanted him broke for Peltola instead of having their ranked-choice ballots go to Palin.
https://twitter.com/Elections_Daily/...29678322651137

[Gwynplaine]

Hooly shit a Dem just won the Alaska special House election!

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...GwNxmz7IdITyXg

[Gwynplaine]

Context: Alaska just switched to ranked choice voting. The candidates were Dem Peltola, an Alaskan native from an established Dem political family, Sarah Palin and Begich. Alaska is about an R+10 state, pretty high but not completely uncompetative. A lot of people there really hate Sarah Palin and seem to have voted for Peltola or chosen her as their second choice OVER Palin. Even her former in-laws campaigned against her. Dem momentum is here.

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/15...GwNxmz7IdITyXg

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/sta...GwNxmz7IdITyXg

https://twitter.com/umichvoter/statu...GwNxmz7IdITyXg