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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyangi View Post
    maybe he'll actually get it this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    It is amusing to see it spun as demanding perfection. This is why the Democrats never learn, and will keep losing. Tripping over their own propaganda about being the bulwark holding back some evil, and they aren't.

    Pretending voting for the Democrats is essentially saving the country and people in it by protecting any number of arbitrary topics is just comical. Voting is an apolitical demonstration Americans engage in as if it were some brave and noble "bare minimum".

    For the record I vote, but I don't vote every time, and I look at the ballot to decide if I will abstain or not. Even then if I don't vote Democrat it is apparently the same as not voting though which is also comical.

    Just for the record, Democrats are not defenders of minorities, and not champions of the poor or working class or women or anything else of that genre. Everyone can keep telling themselves they are, but it is either untrue, half-hearted rhetoric with little substance or track record, or hypocritical virtue signaling and so on. The Democrats really don't give a shit about the LGBTQ+ members of society unless it costs them little to nothing and gains them power. So on and so forth. We have a broken democracy because of the utter obsession with the lesser of two evils.
    The discussion needs to be on taking over the Democratic party and forcing it to be something of substance and value to its voters, and not just enabling a trash party with carte blanche sentiments. Otherwise, you aren't any better for casting that ballot than the Republican that apparently wants to harm everyone.
    Please shut up. Wild that Dems actually voted to codify same sex marriage but all Republicans voted it down. Democrats pushed to end conversion therapy and make it illegal in almost all Democrat led states. Also they give trans individuals way more respect and rights than Red states. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to LGBTQ+ rights and our struggle.

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    dick cheney was an ardent gay marriage supporter a decade before obama changed his opinion ;o

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetruepandagod View Post
    dick cheney was an ardent gay marriage supporter a decade before obama changed his opinion ;o
    To be fair, Obama was pro-gay marriage as a State Senator before he became against it (pro-civil union, anti-marriage) as a state-wide U.S. Senate candidate, only becoming openly gay marriage again once public opinion swung towards gay marriage being acceptable while President.

    He adapted to make himself palatable to his electoral audience; when he moved up to larger and more conservative audiences, he shifted to the right. He is the perfect embodiment of how an electable candidate can only be as liberal as the center allows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    It is amusing to see it spun as demanding perfection. This is why the Democrats never learn, and will keep losing. Tripping over their own propaganda about being the bulwark holding back some evil, and they aren't.

    Pretending voting for the Democrats is essentially saving the country and people in it by protecting any number of arbitrary topics is just comical. Voting is an apolitical demonstration Americans engage in as if it were some brave and noble "bare minimum".

    For the record I vote, but I don't vote every time, and I look at the ballot to decide if I will abstain or not. Even then if I don't vote Democrat it is apparently the same as not voting though which is also comical.

    Just for the record, Democrats are not defenders of minorities, and not champions of the poor or working class or women or anything else of that genre. Everyone can keep telling themselves they are, but it is either untrue, half-hearted rhetoric with little substance or track record, or hypocritical virtue signaling and so on. The Democrats really don't give a shit about the LGBTQ+ members of society unless it costs them little to nothing and gains them power. So on and so forth. We have a broken democracy because of the utter obsession with the lesser of two evils.
    The discussion needs to be on taking over the Democratic party and forcing it to be something of substance and value to its voters, and not just enabling a trash party with carte blanche sentiments. Otherwise, you aren't any better for casting that ballot than the Republican that apparently wants to harm everyone.
    tbh this guy is making a lot of sense

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    Day comes in here now once a week to quote spicy and say he is right. Then leaves again. Com'on man, get in here and be Day a while. Stop hiding in Spam.

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    He hasnt been in spam. He got a 60% raise at his job and bought a huge mansion. He pulled a Zetanio.

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    lmao, I just been moving and doing new house stuff apparently that takes up a lot of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yabby View Post
    Day comes in here now once a week to quote spicy and say he is right. Then leaves again. Com'on man, get in here and be Day a while. Stop hiding in Spam.
    I still take it as a delivery of the most deadpan humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    It is amusing to see it spun as demanding perfection. This is why the Democrats never learn, and will keep losing. Tripping over their own propaganda about being the bulwark holding back some evil, and they aren't.

    Pretending voting for the Democrats is essentially saving the country and people in it by protecting any number of arbitrary topics is just comical. Voting is an apolitical demonstration Americans engage in as if it were some brave and noble "bare minimum".

    For the record I vote, but I don't vote every time, and I look at the ballot to decide if I will abstain or not. Even then if I don't vote Democrat it is apparently the same as not voting though which is also comical.

    Just for the record, Democrats are not defenders of minorities, and not champions of the poor or working class or women or anything else of that genre. Everyone can keep telling themselves they are, but it is either untrue, half-hearted rhetoric with little substance or track record, or hypocritical virtue signaling and so on. The Democrats really don't give a shit about the LGBTQ+ members of society unless it costs them little to nothing and gains them power. So on and so forth. We have a broken democracy because of the utter obsession with the lesser of two evils.
    The discussion needs to be on taking over the Democratic party and forcing it to be something of substance and value to its voters, and not just enabling a trash party with carte blanche sentiments. Otherwise, you aren't any better for casting that ballot than the Republican that apparently wants to harm everyone.
    I'm convinced that you know nothing about Democrats and Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NynJa View Post
    He hasnt been in spam. He got a 60% raise at his job and bought a huge mansion. He pulled a Zetanio.
    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
    lmao, I just been moving and doing new house stuff apparently that takes up a lot of time
    O shit grats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimmauk View Post
    I'm convinced that you know nothing about Democrats and Republicans.
    It's apparently difficult to understand a good cop bad cop routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    I still take it as a delivery of the most deadpan humor.
    it's a little of that, but i also don't take as much issue with your opinions as some others do, i do generally think you make more sense here than some of these people give you credit for but i'm also just stirring the pot ever so slightly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day View Post
    it's a little of that, but i also don't take as much issue with your opinions as some others do, i do generally think you make more sense here than some of these people give you credit for but i'm also just stirring the pot ever so slightly
    Fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    It's apparently difficult to understand a good cop bad cop routine.
    I mean you can look at Democrat run states vs. Republican run states and see the stark differences my guy. Also, why don't you run or start some kind of movement towards utopia. Could redirect all the energy you spend here defending your takes into doing something productive. Only person stopping you, is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    To be fair, Obama was pro-gay marriage as a State Senator before he became against it (pro-civil union, anti-marriage) as a state-wide U.S. Senate candidate, only becoming openly gay marriage again once public opinion swung towards gay marriage being acceptable while President.

    He adapted to make himself palatable to his electoral audience; when he moved up to larger and more conservative audiences, he shifted to the right. He is the perfect embodiment of how an electable candidate can only be as liberal as the center allows.
    How are we the same person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkster View Post
    I mean you can look at Democrat run states vs. Republican run states and see the stark differences my guy. Also, why don't you run or start some kind of movement towards utopia. Could redirect all the energy you spend here defending your takes into doing something productive. Only person stopping you, is you.
    Thanks for the patronizing pep talk, champ. I'm looking forward to watching the chatter as the Dems lose the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicyryan View Post
    Thanks for the patronizing pep talk, champ. I'm looking forward to watching the chatter as the Dems lose the house.
    But babe, if you can do better, why aren't you out there helping the people. You have the answers and plans of actions to get things done. So you'd rather not help people and watch them suffer is what you're saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkster View Post
    But babe, if you can do better, why aren't you out there helping the people. You have the answers and plans of actions to get things done. So you'd rather not help people and watch them suffer is what you're saying?
    My love, we clearly all like suffering in one shape or another. Why would I want to deprive you of that?

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