Muh Guns, Too

[Qalbert]

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1451372822803230724

[Day]

Wow! Wtf! Why do those props guns even accept live ammo, so stupid

[Day]

reading it was a blank, maybe need to tone those blanks down or sumn

[archibaldcrane]

reading it was a blank, maybe need to tone those blanks down or sumn

She got Brandon Lee'd

[Day]

I dont understand how he killed a cinematographer and injured the director, some are saying firing at the camera, but I have to suspect that even in those situations you should not be aiming a gun towards anyone, prop or not

[archibaldcrane]

I dont understand how he killed a cinematographer and injured the director, some are saying firing at the camera, but I have to suspect that even in those situations you should not be aiming a gun towards anyone, prop or not

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people aim prop guns at each other on film sets all the time lol

[Anoat]

So is that gonna be manslaughter charges for Baldwin?

[Boyiee]

No the actor isn't responsible

[Vaspinne]

Damn, that is some heavy shit to carry on your conscience for the rest of your life, for Baldwin and for whoever was in charge of the props

[Tokitoki]

Article says it's the propaster or armorer that's responsible for the firearms and firearms safety so that person is in some trouble I'd assume.

[Day]

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people aim prop guns at each other on film sets all the time lol

Seems smart

[Day]

Growing up around guns 2 main rules are to never point a gun at someone and treat every gun as if it is loaded. Movie industry should use actual fake guns if they are going to be pointed at another person, otherwise camera angles and gun safety should prevent a gun being pointed at/fired at another person.

Also read that it wasnt even a take, they were rehearsing or something, not sure if thats true. I feel terrible for all involved but I dont think Baldwin is completely free of fault here.

Need more details though

[NynJa]

[archibaldcrane]

Sounds disastrous - earlier that day the camera operators walked off the set to protest working conditions, and the prop guns had misfired multiple times in days prior.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...walked-off-set

[Melena]

Growing up around guns 2 main rules are to never point a gun at someone and treat every gun as if it is loaded. Movie industry should use actual fake guns if they are going to be pointed at another person, otherwise camera angles and gun safety should prevent a gun being pointed at/fired at another person.

Also read that it wasnt even a take, they were rehearsing or something, not sure if thats true. I feel terrible for all involved but I dont think Baldwin is completely free of fault here.

Need more details though

The last time I got to go shooting with my dad, I just finished my clip, and set the empty gun with the clip removed on the table. As I moved my hand, I tapped the gun which caused it to not point directly down range and I didn't even see it, but you bet the range master saw it and let me know immediately that shit despite being empty had to be pointed down range while everyone else finished their round.

[Qalbert]

Sounds disastrous - earlier that day the camera operators walked off the set to protest working conditions, and the prop guns had misfired multiple times in days prior.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...walked-off-set

edit: disregard, saw the posts in the celeb death thread, I thought 'live round' meant like "actual proper bullet"

[Obiron]

Too soon?

[Qalbert]

https://consequence.net/2021/10/alec...ked-off-set/2/

Two people who spoke to Consequence on condition of anonymity said that Rust’s assistant director Dave Halls — the person responsible for managing the production schedule and who police say handed the weapon to Baldwin — had a troubling history of ignoring safety protocols.

One person who asked to remain anonymous said that she had twice filed formal safety complaints against Halls. Another person, who asked to be identified as ‘Jay,’ recounted several times that he said Halls ignored safety protocols.

In one instance when, “We did have a gun on set,” Jay said Halls consistently tried to either skip or hurry through the safety run-throughs. “I would want to have these safety meetings. I can show them [actors] that the chamber is empty, the magazine is empty, so they can be comfortable on set. I’m the only person who holds it, or maybe an armorer if you wanted a flashbang effect. The AD is supposed to check it each time, they are supposed to be the last line of defense. He would always roll his eyes. ‘Do we need to do a safety meeting?’ He would do it and he would be flippant. ‘Well guys, we’ve got a gun on set, same as always.'”

Most troubling to Jay, “There was one day the actress was aiming it at her head. He didn’t want to do safety meeting! It took a person from another department demanding the meeting to finally hold it. It shouldn’t be like that. It should be first and foremost safety.”

In another distressing example, Halls wanted to film a scene with pyrotechnics while the person authorized to set it alight was suffering from a medical emergency. “We had to do a fire effect, but you have to do a fire safety card that allows you to work with pyrotechnics. That person was having a medical emergency in the parking lot. [Halls] said, ‘Yes, it’s very tragic, we hope he gets better, can you just light this pyrotechnic?’ Looking at me in props. No, I’m not trained in that. A man is outside in an unknown condition having seizures. Finally, the fire safety officer said, ‘No, absolutely not, we will be waiting until we get a person that’s licensed to do this.'”

[archibaldcrane]

The Albuquerque Journal, which obtained audio of the 911 call from set, reported that a woman who identified herself as a script supervisor said, “We’ve had two people accidentally shot by a prop gun; we need help immediately.”
When asked if the gun was loaded with a real bullet, the caller replied: “I don’t… I can’t tell you that… And this (expletive) AD that yelled at me at lunch – asking about revisions, this mother (expletive) – he’s supposed to check the guns, he’s responsible for what happens on the set.”

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/a...it-1235096042/

[Tomiko]

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/st...87520261722119
https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/st...47154418855946