Muh Guns, Too

[NynJa]

A bunch of clowns here and in the celeb death thread tried to dunk on me that they werent real bullets and shit, "shrapnel in the chamber" or sum garbage.

[Melena]

Because at the time, that was the most logical explanation. Real ammunition should only be used for demonstrative purposes on a managed range, with all safety protocol's in check, and upon completion, the armorer and range master should have personally ensured all clips were emptied of live rounds, chambers emptied, and the live rounds locked and secured. Add to that, that absolutely no weapons for the movie should have been taken off set without approval of the armorer, who upon receiving the weapons back, should have emptied the chamber and clip, secured the ammunition, and logged that it was done.

So that said, from what I've gathered, (and yes, I may have some facts jumbled), Alec Baldwin wanted to practice a quick draw scene. He requested a weapon to practice, and the armorer informed him and the set that there was now a cold weapon on set. Alec drew, pulled the trigger as he was practicing and killed the person.

Now that we know that people were fucking around, procedures were not followed, etc, it's clear that the armorer before even declaring a cold weapon, should have in front of Alec opened the revolver chamber and ensured visually with Alec looking on that it was empty. Alec's biggest issue is he broke the cardinal rule. A gun is considered loaded until you yourself have followed those steps and cleared the weapon. Plenty of blame to go around, but the armorer done fucked up, should be held criminally liable, and blackballed from that profession for life.

[archibaldcrane]

I thought the assistant director was the one who handed him the gun and declared it cold?

[Day]

someone linked an article i think that said they both "checked" it

[Day]

Mendoza confirmed reports that two people, armorer Hannah Reed Gutierrez and assistant director Dave Halls, had inspected and handled the weapon before Baldwin shot it.

From the forbes article Qalpal linked

[synistar]

According to a search warrant affidavit released yesterday, assistant director Halls did not inspect the gun.

[NynJa]

Because at the time, that was the most logical explanation.

Is it logical that chamber shrapnel would fully penetrate one person in a fatal location and maintain sufficient velocity to wound another? Im not a gun person, but I cant see that being the case.

[Melena]

Easily at that close of range for even shrapnel to do a through and through wound

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[archibaldcrane]

Is it logical that chamber shrapnel would fully penetrate one person in a fatal location and maintain sufficient velocity to wound another? Im not a gun person, but I cant see that being the case.

It's unlikely, it was just whether it was more unlikely than keeping real ammo on a film set

and now we know the answer

[Qalbert]

https://deadline.com/2021/10/alec-ba...ns-1234864743/

“Safety is Hannah’s number on priority on set,” said attorneys Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence in a statement released late Thursday night. “Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from.”

In my client's defense, she is simply bad at her job.

[archibaldcrane]

Lol

[archibaldcrane]

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/st...5kFlZw0Xg&s=19

[Day]

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...iM8ft-xNg&s=19

[kuronosan]

That's what he gets for having a Schwetty trigger finger.

[Meresgi]

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...iM8ft-xNg&s=19

too bad the AD was apparently a horrible dude when it came to safety and since Baldwin was (assistant producer I think?) he shares the blame for everything going on on that set. It sucks it happened but yeah. Robert Evans also raised a good point that while Alec Baldwin had a distaste for guns, guns aren't going anywhere and people need education on them. Growing up around guns and with people who aren't paint chip eating psychopaths, you're always taught that there's no such thing as an empty or safe gun, assume there's something in the barrel 100% of the time even if you looked and never ever point the barrel at anything. No reason anyone should have been down the sight of that gun.

Also using the set guns for live fire practice during off hours? Fucking come on. Live ammo shouldn't have been anywhere near those weapons for the duration of the filming.

[Day]

id argue as both a producer and star actor of the movie that was on set most of the time he bears more responsibility than most, not even counting the fact he pulled the trigger. Saying he had a well oiled machine as a crew is laughable as we know people walked off due to safety concerns. He obviously is not 100% at fault here but he is hardly a victim and it would probably behoove him to stop talking to the media

[Meresgi]

id argue as both a producer and star actor of the show that was on set most of the time he bears more responsibility than most, not even counting the fact he pulled the trigger. Saying he had a well oiled machine as a crew is laughable as we know people walked off due to safety concerns. He obviously is not 100% at fault here but he is hardly a victim and it would probably behoove him to stop talking to the media

Yup, i'm sure he had some says in hiring on the non-union folks and bringing them on set and kicking out the other people who were protesting the actual safety of the set lol. The AD had complaints against him from other projects for failing to live up to even basic security concerns and safety measures

[Day]

also not a fan of the way he acted towards his (seemingly insane) wife in that vid lol

[Zealot]

Producer sure, but actors have no responsibility for props on set before picking them up and after putting them down. That's what Stage Managers, ASM, Production Assistants, Prop Masters, and other special roles on movie sets are for. Actors should be able to trust the props they're given.

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[Qalbert]

That being said, if actual functional guns are being used as 'props' encouraging extra layers of gun safety/training and proper handling procedures isn't a bad idea.