Muh Guns, Too

[Zealot]

Ugh, those are terrible charges.

You can argue reckless homicide for Rosenbaum, I suppose, but the self-defense argument there is hard to defeat. Why not go for a lesser charge as it pertains to Huber? 1st degree anything would be almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt here. What a mismanaged case.

[Vaspinne]

[Kaslo]

Innocent on all counts, as it should be.

This is inaccurate. Juries don't find innocence, they find the presence or lack of guilt.

[Zealot]

There's no way Rittenhouse was guilty of 1st degree anything. There's no way to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. And he's not guilty of anything as it pertains to Rosenbaum unless you wanted to make a case for criminal negligence.

How you don't charge him with 2nd degree murder for Huber and assault with a deadly weapon for Grosskreutz is beyond me. No way he gets off on those charges. Absolutely mind-boggling they went with only 1st-degree charges.

[NynJa]

They charged him based on the outrage of social justice, not legal justice.

[Zealot]

That's probably a fair assessment.

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[Lokus]

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...231004677?s=20

Time to make that money!

[Mrf]

They charged him based on the outrage of social justice, not legal justice.

This might be the truest thing I have ever seen on these forums.

[Outlaw]

A+

His Defense Attorney says he has PTSD. >.> I started to type something in anger but I take it back.

[kuronosan]

He could have PTSD.

He's more than likely just a stupid kid who thought it would be cool to be tough with a rifle, dun goofed, then got scared shitless and recklessly killed people in "self defense".

[Day]

exactly what happened

[Lucavi]

Guys like him end up alive with PTSD. Everyone else just ends up dead.

[Athas]

That's crimes though

[Cyn]

Ugh, those are terrible charges.

You can argue reckless homicide for Rosenbaum, I suppose, but the self-defense argument there is hard to defeat. Why not go for a lesser charge as it pertains to Huber? 1st degree anything would be almost impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt here. What a mismanaged case.

The jury had the option to reduce the charges if they determined that it wasn't self defense from what I understand.

[Tomiko]

While I don't agree with Kyle going there in the first place and the judge's obvious bias, it's hard to argue that he wasn't acting in self-defense after watching videos of what happened.

Start around 6:10



First person shot was chasing him and throwing things at him. He didn't shoot them until they were right up on him.

While he's running, a guy punches him in the head and he keeps running until he falls. He didn't start shooting until people were literally on top of him and he only shot at those people.

On a side note, that Gage guy that was the last one shot seems like an idiot. What was the point of him bringing a gun if he wasn't going to use it in that situation?

I don't know the law, but going by the video, I don't know what charges would hold up against him. I looked up the 2 Zealot mentioned

Typically, second-degree murder is defined as murder that is not premeditated, or murder that is caused by the offender's reckless conduct that displays an obvious lack of concern for human life.

I think this one mainly depends on the legal definition of reckless (which I don't know).

Assault with a deadly weapon sounds like it would fit, but does it apply when used in self-defense?

I did find something interesting while looking up definitions:

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/doc...utes/939.48(2)

939.48  Self-defense and defense of others.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:

(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

The way I'm reading it, this seems to be the one that worked in his favor since he did try running away before shooting.

I don't like that he got off with no charges considering he killed 2 people, but the videos don't make him out to be the gun crazy murderer the media wants me to think he is.

If I misinterpreted anything, please let me know.

[Yabby]

I think this board isn't blowing up because the majority here understand that he was acting in self-defense. It is the lead-up to those events that is the problem and should be looked at. At what point is it no longer self-defense when you are the reason it got to that point? If I went to Detroit, fully armed, yelling the N-word over and over, i will be attacked. I know i will be attacked, and i still do it. But the second someone attacks me, i can call that self-defense and murder them?

I know it is hard to argue that he KNEW he would be attacked going there, but i think most would agree that he wanted it to happen. Maybe not in the moment, once it started, but he went there wanting to be a bad-ass and got what he was seeking. Now the kid is going to be the rights new love child. He is being rewarded for killing people and making bad choices. The dude is going to be in Congress in the next few years.

[Tomiko]

It is the lead-up to those events that is the problem and should be looked at. At what point is it no longer self-defense when you are the reason it got to that point? If I went to Detroit, fully armed, yelling the N-word over and over, i will be attacked. I know i will be attacked, and i still do it. But the second someone attacks me, i can call that self-defense and murder them?

I agree completely which is why I found the law excerpt cited previously interesting. I'm hoping someone fluent in legalese can weigh in on it since it seems like a stupid law/loophole as you mentioned if that is how it works.

[Day]

Funny enough the first guy he shot was the one yelling the N word

[Cantih]

I think this board isn't blowing up because the majority here understand that he was acting in self-defense. It is the lead-up to those events that is the problem and should be looked at. At what point is it no longer self-defense when you are the reason it got to that point? If I went to Detroit, fully armed, yelling the N-word over and over, i will be attacked. I know i will be attacked, and i still do it. But the second someone attacks me, i can call that self-defense and murder them?

I know it is hard to argue that he KNEW he would be attacked going there, but i think most would agree that he wanted it to happen. Maybe not in the moment, once it started, but he went there wanting to be a bad-ass and got what he was seeking. Now the kid is going to be the rights new love child. He is being rewarded for killing people and making bad choices. The dude is going to be in Congress in the next few years.

It's essentially a grown up version of "I'm not touching you". The letter may not be broken, but the spirit absolutely was. And it works only as long as the adults in the room are dumb enough to do nothing about it.

Explains why Day is on the little shits side so much, same playbook.

[Meresgi]

Yeah from what little I know of the law I believe i've seen a few videos in the past where self defense is usually listed as "Applying equal force back at the assailant". So if someone throwing rocks at you, you can't pull out a shotgun and merc them. However that all goes out the window I believe when your life is threatened and you feel like that's all you have. If the guy with rocks knocks you down and is ready to cave your head in with a big rock then yeah, it's shotgun time or dead time and those are your choices.

Dudes a little twerp who definitely went looking for it and found it, i'm sure he was scared once he did find it like all right wing GRAVY seal types are who cosplay with guns and think they're Dirty Harry up until it's actually time. Can't prosecute him for that and the prosecution in this case was a walking talking bag of rocks, dude literally should have been working for the defense. Kyle's gonna be an intern in DC for Cawthorne or Marjorie or something, i'm sure they are in talks already amongst the crazies who gets to use him as their puppet for the next 2 years or so before this dies then and then he's gonna get either cast out and come back years later as a senator or just linger around like a festering wound.